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757's Are They Back To Dca?

Hamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1157 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

i was spotting today from my window, as i live in Mclean, VA and i saw a plane that is too long to be an A320 descending over the potomac river toward National airport to land Via Rwy 19 i guess. now the plane was too long to be an A320, i think that it either be a USA321 or a 757.

any help here?

PHX - i miss spotting

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Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1092 times:

National will shortly (or has very recently) recommence(d) DCA ops. They only operate 752's.

Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.

Hamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1157 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

thanks yyz
any more information?

PHX - i miss spotting

Bpat777 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 984 times:

As of July AA has two daily 757 flts into DCA...Hopefully DL, US and NW will follow soon...

DeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3623 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 970 times:

I thought they weren't allowed to fly 757s into DCA after 9/11. Has this changed?

Also, I thought DCA was only allowed to have flights within a certain radius. I know National went in there when I was there last year, and I saw a LAS-DCA flight while I was in Vegas, but was there a radius & has this been changed?

Anyway, great to see DCA getting 757s again!

DeltaRules

Let's Kick the Tires & Light the Fires!!

Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 939 times:

I don't think there are any radius restrictions. US operates a non-stop flight to and from Orlando (MCO) on a A319. Also, I would think that if National Airlines flies into DCA, then there would be no more 757 restrictions. And, as mentioned above, AA has resumed 757 service as of July.

Now that I think about it, I can find no legitimate reason why 757's were not allowed into DCA anyway. Would Pentagon workers get uncomfortable seeing a 757 on approach or departure? Who knows...

HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 936 times:

Why are 757s banned?

If its because it was used on 9-11 for the Pentagon, then thats rediculous. An A320 or 737-800 could do a lot of damage too.

its rediculous that an aircraft type is banned for that reason.

AF777 From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 916 times:

The 757 was banned because all aircraft that seat more than (I believe) 159 pax were not allowed to fly to DCA post 9-11. It has nothing to do with the fact that one was used to hit the Pentagon.

Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 906 times:

Even so, it is foolish to ban airplanes that carry more than 159 passengers. 159 is just some arbitrary number. There's no reason for it. Passenger count doesn't affect the potential damage a fully-fueled airplane can inflict on a building when used as a missle.

Were there any restrictions at LaGuardia? I can think of none. LaGuardia is just miles from Manhattan, and receives aircraft as big as 764's.

AF777 From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 884 times:

I agree, I am not sure what their rationale was except that perhaps they wanted to limit the total number of passengers going through DCA and through security, and keeping the equip. size smaller is one way to do that

B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 890 times:

159 was a number that Arizona senator John McCain pushed for to protect his beloved hometown airline America West's market share into DCA by excluding the 757 operators (think National).

Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7702 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 878 times:

Jesus America, you really need better leadership. You don't deserve any of this, from 9/11 onwards.

fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz

Lowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 878 times:

The National flight is one of 6 that can operate beyond the 1250 mile perimeter rule DCA has. These special slots were awarded about 2 years ago. The other airlines in this are:

America West(2x PHX, 1x LAS)
Alaska(1x SEA)(Used to be used by TWA to LAX, AA had to give it up when TWA was purchased)
Frontier(1x DEN).

Notice how America West received three of the 6 slots. Also notice that John McCain pushed for those slots. Who wants to make a bet that if McCain becomes president, a bill will be made saying any american airlines with the letters H and P in their codes are exempt from paying landing fees?

BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 823 times:

Frontier is trying to get a 3rd and 4th slot to start a 2nd round-trip to DCA from DEN.

I doubt they'll get it though.

Regards

"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran

Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 816 times:

I hope Frontier gets those slots. The more, the better, the sooner aviation in America returns to normal.

N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 765 times:

I finally saw a 757 yesterday at DCA. It was an AA aircraft and arrived between 4 and 5 pm.

Japanguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 750 times:

UA has put the 757 back on the schedule for some DCA-ORD flights during peak times. Starting this month.

OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4680 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 709 times:

Don't bust McCain's chops over the HP slots, he was doing what he was elected to do...getting good things for his home state. HP is a major employer in AZ and trust me, he's not the only person in DC pushing his home state's economy.

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