Flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1883 posts, RR: 3 Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2746 times:
I know this has really been discussed but for the same price it seems that the A320 is a better aircraft then the 738! I might be wrong on some of these so bare with me please!
The A320 is what lets see, faster, flys longer, quieter, more fuel efficant, and has Fly By Wire(FBW)??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Ive been trying to convince my self for long that boeing is better! But if this stuff is really TRUE hten Boeing isnt better the BUS is! Now ive got nothing against bus, but hey one has to be better! Someone help me out here!
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2685 times:
It is faster. Cruise at .79 and if you want you can take it up to .82 no problemo!
The 738 cruises officially at M 0.79, which is M 0.785 rounded up. M 0.82 is the A320's maximum operating speed according to Airbus, so taking it up to that speed like you claim would obviously be very inefficient. The 738 maximum operating speed is also M 0.82. The A320 is not faster, period.
MTOW on the bus is higher so a bigger payload but more taxes to be paid....etc..etc...etc....
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
They both have their advantages and disadvantages depending on what the client is looking for. $ is the bottom line. F9 really wanted Boeings, but the price for the Airbuses was so good, they couldn't pass it up. The same could be said about airlines that went with 737NGs instead of Airbuses.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
GD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
Ha! The 737NG is a much better aircraft. Why? It is more sturdy than the A320. Want proof? Southwest Airlines, WN's aircraft take such a beating (they land, they offload the luggage and pax, they load the new luggage and pax, and depart in 10-15 minutes!), and they still have one of the best safety records in the world. Does any airlines who owns A320's do this, I don't think so.
QatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2514 times:
I agree with what Arsenal@LHR said. Modern Airliners from Boeing and AIrbus are very similar in both ecnonomics and performance and so fleet decisions these days are mainly based on commonality with the rest of the fleet, types of operations and aquisition costs.
From what I have read a while back, 40% of operating costs are attributed to Aquisition costs and the remaining variables such as fuel consumption and maintanence costs are smaller than what you think. So even if the A320 is 5% more fuel-efficient than the 738 or if it is the other way round the DOC would still be very similar and won't make much of a difference.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2498 times:
While I sort of agree with some of the above posters that this thread is somewhat meaningless, for the one who started it, it isn't! If you don't want to read it, don't read it, but don't go on about how it should be deleted.
Regarding the topic at hand, I do have to hand it to Airbus for providing true competition to Boeing in this class of aircraft. It forces Boeing to progress, and ensures the market doesn't become stale. You can bet that Boeing wouldn't have made as many changes to the 737NG as they did had the A320 not been created. But the bottom line, as has been said, is that both are extremely successful airplanes, and good at what they are designed to do.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
Fritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2488 times:
These threads are very amusing to read because everyone flames at each other! But still, they piss me off because both are very good types of aircraft.
(Airbus is a little better in my view. Hey, I'm European)
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2469 times:
I agree with CaptainGomes. I don't understand all the 'deletes.' Although these threads usually degenerate quickly and reach no conclusion, this one has not. It has been respectful point and counterpoint discussion. Some of the people here may not have seen earlier discussions about this topic. It's purely aviation related, no one has been skewered personally, and it is new and interesting for some people. Leave it alone.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2428 times:
If any of you have access to the Air Transport Association's 2002 annual report, they give cost figures for various aircraft including fuel burn and costs per hour for A320 and various 737 models. I do not have a copy handy but it is interesting reading. You can come to your own conclusions. If you actually have the interest, you could probably build a spreadsheet to do various comparisons.
The website: www.airlines.org
I repeat, so far, this thread has not been childish. I hope it is not deleted premptively.
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
Fuel costs are about 10% of total I am lead to believe
If any of you have access to the Air Transport Association's 2002 annual report, they give cost figures for various aircraft including fuel burn and costs per hour for A320 and various 737 models
I would take them with a pinch of salt.They listed the 346's fuel burn which says something about their credibility.
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5070 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2411 times:
Oh will you 'holier than thou' pretty boys with your 'suggest deletion' crap please just stuff it?? Come on, a serious question was raised, and the discussion has so far remained civil. The only crap posts so far have been the ones by the people suggesting deletion and wanting everybody to know. The 'suggest deletion' button is there mainly for discussions that get out of hand, and that is clearly not the case here. This board is here to discuss aviation, and Airbus and Boeing being the two main manufacturers of civil aircraft, it is only natural that there will be discussions comparing both. And as long as they're civil, I don't see the friggin' problem.
To the topic: Both the 737NG and the A32X are excellent aircraft, and it is clear by the sales figures that this is the case.
Ha! The 737NG is a much better aircraft. Why? It is more sturdy than the A320. Want proof? Southwest Airlines, WN's aircraft take such a beating (they land, they offload the luggage and pax, they load the new luggage and pax, and depart in 10-15 minutes!), and they still have one of the best safety records in the world.
Well, Southwest has only ever operated the 737, they've never operated the A320, so we'll never know if they couldn't have done the same thing with A320s..
Does any airlines who owns A320's do this, I don't think so
Doesn't JetBlue operate in a very similar way?
: Virgin Sun operated A320's on intensive IT work. The only major delays were when the loaders ot toileteers rammed the a/c with their ground eqipment.
: Good point, guys. I shouldn't have been so hasty with my itchy trigger finger...
: While I sort of agree with some of the above posters that this thread is somewhat meaningless, for the one who started it, it isn't! If you don't want
: Southwest: 8 cent the seat per mile Jetblue: 6,5 cent the seat per mile source: Brandeins (German marketing magazine) But I do not think this helps th
: Airbus vs. Boeing wars are SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED by the rules of this message boards! Go back and read them again! Define WAR. To me that means that
: We should all march to the tune of the select few here who want to follow the rules line by line and to their OWN interpretation, whereby in a public
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: How old are you guys. Why suggest deletion here???? I find this a very interesting thread without flamewars. It would be sad if this would be deleted.
: Captaingomes, List price for the A32X aircraft is cheaper than B737NG's but in Ryanair's case they were given a discount of 40%!!! QR for example had
: The ATA annual report is highly credibile. I did not see the A346 in it but that does not mean it is not there or perhaps included as a typo. It is a
: The problem with the report is that it uses airlines' figures to report costs. This could lead to many problems because some airlines have different c
: I love the 737 and love the A320. I'm surprise to hear the Airbus is cheaper as nearly all low cost airlines fly 737s. Both a/c must have their advant
: Why can't people be mature. When I see a post that pisses me off, do you know what I do? I hit the back button and find another post, do you think I w
: One more thing I while back I started a topic about Airbus VS Boeing why wrong, and I could not get one god reason why this topic is not allowed. The
: I believe the main benefit of FBW is weight savings. I'm not sure how much or how important those savings are to an airline. As far as the ATA figures
: EJAYMD11 "As far as FBW goes do airlines really take that into affect when choosing an aircraft?" I don't know if FBW is such a decision factor but it
: If you want a subject to disappear, why the hell are you posting? An unintentionally hilarious and sanctimonious "I'm pressing delete" post may alert
: alright this isnt supposed to be a WAR! Its a question that i aske dand i wanted facts not criticism to eachother, DIA WHATS F9 ?
: A big reason behind which aircraft the airline choses is when it can aquire the aircraft. With Westjet, which chose the 737-700, they couldn't aquire
: Cedarjet, Although I think the opposite about 737 vs. 320-- I do like your clear, concise way of stating your aircraft preference.
: Scorpio-I don't think Jetblue does a 10 minute turn around, do they? If so, they are the first operator I know of to work A320's like that. -GD727
: The reason most LCCs carriers use 737s is the abundance of cheap classic models eg 732s being used by FR,WN etc Jetblue is the obvious exception-it wa
: GD727, I don't know whether JetBlue turns around its A320s in 10 minutes, and I doubt it quite honestly, but if I'm correct neither does Southwest wit
: I hate to admit it, but I like the A32X series better than 737-800 as a passenger. I am a frequent flier on Delta and US Airways and will always choos