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What! Is The A320 Really Better!?!?  
User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1876 posts, RR: 3
Posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

I know this has really been discussed but for the same price it seems that the A320 is a better aircraft then the 738! I might be wrong on some of these so bare with me please!
The A320 is what lets see, faster, flys longer, quieter, more fuel efficant, and has Fly By Wire(FBW)??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Ive been trying to convince my self for long that boeing is better! But if this stuff is really TRUE hten Boeing isnt better the BUS is! Now ive got nothing against bus, but hey one has to be better! Someone help me out here!
Thanks!
Bri
(flyboy80)

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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

The A320 is what lets see, faster

Wrong, it is not faster. They both cruise at around M O.785.

flys longer

True, but only 50-100km longer, this makes no difference at all for airline routes.

quieter

In your opinion maybe, but I've flown on both and the A320 IMO is certainly not more quiet than the 737NG.

more fuel efficant

Care to show figures proving that?

But if this stuff is really TRUE

Actually it's extremely false.


Please try a thread that makes a little more sense next time..........


-NWA742


User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

I would dare to say errrrrr..................................................................................
IT IS BETTER!! Altough for me it is....


User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

NWA742,

It is faster. Cruise at .79 and if you want you can take it up to .82 no problemo!

738 climbs faster tough so it might be as fuel effective as the bus!

MTOW on the bus is higher so a bigger payload but more taxes to be paid....etc..etc...etc....


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

It is faster. Cruise at .79 and if you want you can take it up to .82 no problemo!

The 738 cruises officially at M 0.79, which is M 0.785 rounded up. M 0.82 is the A320's maximum operating speed according to Airbus, so taking it up to that speed like you claim would obviously be very inefficient. The 738 maximum operating speed is also M 0.82. The A320 is not faster, period.

MTOW on the bus is higher so a bigger payload but more taxes to be paid....etc..etc...etc....

738 MTOW: 174,200 lb
A320 MTOW: 162,000 lb

Sources: Boeing and Airbus



-NWA742


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

I read that the 737NG also has a higher service ceiling than the 320-series. I think it is FL410 or 430. Is this correct?

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

They both have their advantages and disadvantages depending on what the client is looking for. $ is the bottom line. F9 really wanted Boeings, but the price for the Airbuses was so good, they couldn't pass it up. The same could be said about airlines that went with 737NGs instead of Airbuses.


Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

M79969, that is correct.

Not to mention, the 738 has more cargo space in terms of cubic ft, it has a higher MTOW for more payload capabilities.


-NWA742


User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Ha! The 737NG is a much better aircraft. Why? It is more sturdy than the A320. Want proof? Southwest Airlines, WN's aircraft take such a beating (they land, they offload the luggage and pax, they load the new luggage and pax, and depart in 10-15 minutes!), and they still have one of the best safety records in the world. Does any airlines who owns A320's do this, I don't think so.

-GD727



Mmmm forbidden donut.
User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

I definitely prefer Boeing over Airbus. But I have to give Airbus credit for offering a containerized cargo hold for a narrowbody. The 737 seems to do a lot better in high-cycle operations.

User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Just pushed the "Delete button"...guess why.


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

FBW being better is a subjective thing....

the airbus is a little roomier.

the boeing is a little more optimized for high cycle ops.

they've both sold a ton of planes.

yawn.



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

FBW being better is a subjective thing....

True, very true.

the airbus is a little roomier

That depends more on the airline than the aircraft. The A320's cabin is a few inches wider but that has hardly a difference on the seat comfort.



-NWA742


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2367 times:
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We can argue all we like about which is better, but the truth is, it's vague to suggest one is better than the other.

For AA, the 738 is better than the A320
For Ryanair, the 738 is better than the A320
For Jetblue, the A320 is better than the 737

You can argue with all the facts and statistics, but unless you're an airline official or a mechanic, you won't know which is better.

Arsenal@LHR



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Being that we can fit bigger cargo into the A320, I go with the A320. Also nice to have is that bulk bin, where we can put extra bags, cargo, etc, in case we have many HR's.


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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

I too have just hit the delete button. Is there anyone willing to take a shot in the dark as to why?

User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

I agree with what Arsenal@LHR said. Modern Airliners from Boeing and AIrbus are very similar in both ecnonomics and performance and so fleet decisions these days are mainly based on commonality with the rest of the fleet, types of operations and aquisition costs.

From what I have read a while back, 40% of operating costs are attributed to Aquisition costs and the remaining variables such as fuel consumption and maintanence costs are smaller than what you think. So even if the A320 is 5% more fuel-efficient than the 738 or if it is the other way round the DOC would still be very similar and won't make much of a difference.

Regards,
QatarAirways


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

While I sort of agree with some of the above posters that this thread is somewhat meaningless, for the one who started it, it isn't! If you don't want to read it, don't read it, but don't go on about how it should be deleted.

Regarding the topic at hand, I do have to hand it to Airbus for providing true competition to Boeing in this class of aircraft. It forces Boeing to progress, and ensures the market doesn't become stale. You can bet that Boeing wouldn't have made as many changes to the 737NG as they did had the A320 not been created. But the bottom line, as has been said, is that both are extremely successful airplanes, and good at what they are designed to do.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

These threads are very amusing to read because everyone flames at each other! But still, they piss me off because both are very good types of aircraft.
(Airbus is a little better in my view. Hey, I'm European)  Big grin

DELETE!!!


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

I agree with CaptainGomes. I don't understand all the 'deletes.' Although these threads usually degenerate quickly and reach no conclusion, this one has not. It has been respectful point and counterpoint discussion. Some of the people here may not have seen earlier discussions about this topic. It's purely aviation related, no one has been skewered personally, and it is new and interesting for some people. Leave it alone.



User currently offlineIFlyMidwExprss From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 160 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2297 times:


People, go to the "suggest deletion" field and read what it says in the sixth column down.

'Nuff said.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9731 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

I agree with Arsenal@LHR, QatarAirways and Captaingomes. Couldn't have said it better guys.

A388


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

If any of you have access to the Air Transport Association's 2002 annual report, they give cost figures for various aircraft including fuel burn and costs per hour for A320 and various 737 models. I do not have a copy handy but it is interesting reading. You can come to your own conclusions. If you actually have the interest, you could probably build a spreadsheet to do various comparisons.

The website: www.airlines.org

I repeat, so far, this thread has not been childish. I hope it is not deleted premptively.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Fuel costs are about 10% of total I am lead to believe
If any of you have access to the Air Transport Association's 2002 annual report, they give cost figures for various aircraft including fuel burn and costs per hour for A320 and various 737 models
I would take them with a pinch of salt.They listed the 346's fuel burn which says something about their credibility.



User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5018 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Oh will you 'holier than thou' pretty boys with your 'suggest deletion' crap please just stuff it?? Come on, a serious question was raised, and the discussion has so far remained civil. The only crap posts so far have been the ones by the people suggesting deletion and wanting everybody to know. The 'suggest deletion' button is there mainly for discussions that get out of hand, and that is clearly not the case here. This board is here to discuss aviation, and Airbus and Boeing being the two main manufacturers of civil aircraft, it is only natural that there will be discussions comparing both. And as long as they're civil, I don't see the friggin' problem.

To the topic: Both the 737NG and the A32X are excellent aircraft, and it is clear by the sales figures that this is the case.

Some arguments:

Ha! The 737NG is a much better aircraft. Why? It is more sturdy than the A320. Want proof? Southwest Airlines, WN's aircraft take such a beating (they land, they offload the luggage and pax, they load the new luggage and pax, and depart in 10-15 minutes!), and they still have one of the best safety records in the world.

Well, Southwest has only ever operated the 737, they've never operated the A320, so we'll never know if they couldn't have done the same thing with A320s..

Does any airlines who owns A320's do this, I don't think so

Doesn't JetBlue operate in a very similar way?


25 VC-10 : Virgin Sun operated A320's on intensive IT work. The only major delays were when the loaders ot toileteers rammed the a/c with their ground eqipment.
26 IFlyMidwExprss : Good point, guys. I shouldn't have been so hasty with my itchy trigger finger...
27 Brons2 : While I sort of agree with some of the above posters that this thread is somewhat meaningless, for the one who started it, it isn't! If you don't want
28 Aerosol : Southwest: 8 cent the seat per mile Jetblue: 6,5 cent the seat per mile source: Brandeins (German marketing magazine) But I do not think this helps th
29 Scorpio : Airbus vs. Boeing wars are SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED by the rules of this message boards! Go back and read them again! Define WAR. To me that means that
30 Captaingomes : We should all march to the tune of the select few here who want to follow the rules line by line and to their OWN interpretation, whereby in a public
31 Sabena 690 : How old are you guys. Why suggest deletion here???? I find this a very interesting thread without flamewars. It would be sad if this would be deleted.
32 QatarAirways : Captaingomes, List price for the A32X aircraft is cheaper than B737NG's but in Ryanair's case they were given a discount of 40%!!! QR for example had
33 N79969 : The ATA annual report is highly credibile. I did not see the A346 in it but that does not mean it is not there or perhaps included as a typo. It is a
34 QatarAirways : The problem with the report is that it uses airlines' figures to report costs. This could lead to many problems because some airlines have different c
35 Yago : I love the 737 and love the A320. I'm surprise to hear the Airbus is cheaper as nearly all low cost airlines fly 737s. Both a/c must have their advant
36 EJAYMD11 : Why can't people be mature. When I see a post that pisses me off, do you know what I do? I hit the back button and find another post, do you think I w
37 EJAYMD11 : One more thing I while back I started a topic about Airbus VS Boeing why wrong, and I could not get one god reason why this topic is not allowed. The
38 N79969 : I believe the main benefit of FBW is weight savings. I'm not sure how much or how important those savings are to an airline. As far as the ATA figures
39 QatarAirways : EJAYMD11 "As far as FBW goes do airlines really take that into affect when choosing an aircraft?" I don't know if FBW is such a decision factor but it
40 Cedarjet : If you want a subject to disappear, why the hell are you posting? An unintentionally hilarious and sanctimonious "I'm pressing delete" post may alert
41 Flyboy80 : alright this isnt supposed to be a WAR! Its a question that i aske dand i wanted facts not criticism to eachother, DIA WHATS F9 ?
42 Fallingeese : A big reason behind which aircraft the airline choses is when it can aquire the aircraft. With Westjet, which chose the 737-700, they couldn't aquire
43 N79969 : Cedarjet, Although I think the opposite about 737 vs. 320-- I do like your clear, concise way of stating your aircraft preference.
44 GD727 : Scorpio-I don't think Jetblue does a 10 minute turn around, do they? If so, they are the first operator I know of to work A320's like that. -GD727
45 Donder10 : The reason most LCCs carriers use 737s is the abundance of cheap classic models eg 732s being used by FR,WN etc Jetblue is the obvious exception-it wa
46 Scorpio : GD727, I don't know whether JetBlue turns around its A320s in 10 minutes, and I doubt it quite honestly, but if I'm correct neither does Southwest wit
47 762er : I hate to admit it, but I like the A32X series better than 737-800 as a passenger. I am a frequent flier on Delta and US Airways and will always choos
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