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Delta 767-400ER Routes, Major LAX Expansion  
User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2766 times:

The new 767-400ERs will be based out of ATL and LAX, and orders for more are possible as they will be replacing the aging 767-200s. The Pacific base will slowly be shifted to LAX with the MD-11s and -400s as more flights are added to Asia and Hawaii. United won't be too happy.



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User currently offlinePanaman From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2255 times:

The -400's will be used to replace some 762's? That's interesting. I would think that more 757's would make an ideal 767-200 replacement. Hell, the -400 holds roughly the same # of pass. as the L10. If it's thru, that's good news for cities like MSY which have 762/763 service.........nice!!!!

Steve



Sorry I moved from SXM, looking for a new house on Anguilla now!
User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2243 times:

Hello,

Does it mean PDX will be dropped ?
How much do they plan to grow at LAX ?
Will they order the 777X for asian ops ?

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2214 times:

Your guess is as good as mine. You might ask around AF and see if they know anything. I know a -400ER pilot and he says it will replace the L-1011 and -200, but I am not sure that PDX will disappear.

Korean Air and Delta, if Korean Air joins would likely both order the 777X for expansion, to attempt to boot United and Northwest out.


User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2186 times:

Hello,

I will ask. But Delta must have some great growth plans to compete effeciently with UAL...
A large 777-200ER order coming ?

Best regards,
Alain Mengs


User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2185 times:

Thats what pilots around ATL are rumoring.

User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Why would a 275 pax plane replace a 181 Pax plane

User currently offlineACVITALE From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

I am curious where did you here this?

The 767-400's are to replace the L1011's

I doubt DL will push UA/AA/NW Pacific ops out of LAX. They haven't even been able to get good loads out of PDX where they are the only game in town.

I think someone is rumor-mongering again.


User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

I don't believe Delta is going to build up LAX into a major hub to compete with United. First of all, they've been downsizing LAX for years, to the point where they now have half as many flights as they had several years ago (approx. 50 vs. 100). Second, to my knowledge they have not applied for any international routes out of LAX. When the Japanese agreement was signed a few years ago, Delta applied for ATL-NRT, JFK-NRT, CVG-NRT, HNL-NRT and ATL-KIX. LAX wasn't even in the plans. Third, as American has figured out, in order to make LAX into any kind of sizeable hub operation you need feeder service from within California. Delta has none of that, and I don't see them shifting smaller aircraft to these types of markets when there is already so much competition from United, American, Southwest and Alaska. Just my feeling, but if Delta wants to build up their west coast operation they'd be better off adding flights to Salt Lake City where they have a very solid market position. I like a Delta a lot, but they seem to drag their feet when it comes to expansion other than Atlanta. CVG is down in departures from a few years ago (about 195 vs. 225), DFW has been cut back and SLC hasn't seen any growth in 10 years. If Delta wants to play with the big boys (UA and AA) they need to expand outside of Atlanta.

User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Just a slight correction on the No International Flights; Tokyo Narita IS served by Delta Air Lines from Los Angeles using MD-11s operating as flight DL79, with the return service designated as DL78.

Just to put something right........



DLMD-11.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

I agree that DL will not be able to or have a VERY hard time booting Northwest, United and American in the Pacific.


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User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Not applied

I do know that Delta has a flight from LAX to Tokyo. What I said was that they haven't applied for any NEW international routes out of LAX. Sorry if there was some confusion.


User currently offlineDLMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Sorry ORD - I think I misread the post slightly - my fault!
And you're right that there are no new applications for routes out of LAX - quite odd for a supposedly growing hub.....

JFK and ATL are Delta's concentration (ATL as always) at the moment in the sense that from JFK they are trying to get approval to serve Beijing and Shanghai along with more and more transatlantics, and they are trying to get approval to serve flights such as JFK/ATL (- PDX) - HKG and some others I believe, tho what they are I could not say. Also, they are concentrating on improving a lot of flights out of ATL across the Atlantic aswell.

Sorry for any confusion and I hope this helps!



DLMD-11.


User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2059 times:

Not a problem. I appreciate all of your insight into Delta. And hey, I like a Delta a lot also. My very first flight was from Chicago to Miami on a Delta 747 -- my family had rented out the upstairs and we had it all to ourselves! I will never forget it.

User currently offlineSs278 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

DAL will use the -400's to replace the L10's. You'll see them flying to Hawaii eventually. The -400 does not have the range for year round Asia flights.

As far as west coast expansion goes, forget it. Delta does not care about much west of the Mississippi River. SLC is being pulled back and there is talk of taking down the hub altogether after the 2002 Olympics. Skywest has ambitious expansion plans for SLC if that happens.

As a prevoius poster noted, DAL has no intra-California feed and none on the horizon. Skywest is pretty well committed to UAL on the west coast. As far as PDX goes, as long as DAL wants to fly to Japan from Cincinnati, PDX is the gateway as designated by the gov't. DAL could petition to get it changed but its not likely. Besides, there is significant local PDX-NRT traffic, just like at LAX.

No, for DAL the future is ATL. Always has been, always will be.


User currently offlineSp-deluxe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

Is it possible that we may have a 2nd US airline fly Syd-LAX, maybe Delta could use 777's or MD-11's as the 767-400 does not have the range?

Delta needs LAX as a major base to boost the importance of the attempted Air France, Korean Delta alliance.


User currently offlineWinAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Do you think I could catch a flight from LAX-SLC or ATL on a 767-400 in the future just to fly on it?
When is the aircraft going to start scheduled service for DL? What will the inagural flight be?


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1994 times:

Delta is already pretty strong in PDX, and I know the MD-11 has the range to go PDX-Auckland Non-stop, and the MD-11 and the 777 don't have the range to do LAX-SYD non-stop. I think a PDX-Auckland-SYD route would be pretty good though.

Jeff


User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Delta and Korean booting United and Northwest out of the Pacific market? Give me a break. Both NW and UA have established strong presence in Asia, and especially UA out of LAX. United (and in my opinion, NW) both have superior products to Asia. United has legendary service and new aircraft, NW has the best frequent flyer program (InsideFlyer 2000) and state of the art turbulence avoidance systems, and both have established hubs at Tokyo Narita Airport. DL can't compete! And Korean Air? That will end as soon as they have another horrible avoidable crash and Delta drops them again. Good luck, Delta! You're gonna need it!


Create your own luck.
User currently offlineEtops767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Who says Delta is going to expand in the Pacific and beat out United and Northwest? This is pure nonsense,Delta is consentrating on Latin America and Europe for expansion.I don't think DL has any intention of trying to become a major player in the Pacific for the foreseable future. As far as the 767-400 is concerned it is a replacement for the domestic L-1011 at least for the initial order of 21.The other a/c on option may be used on international routes.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6645 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

I do believe the 777-200ER has the range to fly nonstop LAX-SYD since it has the same range as the 747-400. China Southern flies LAX-CAN nonstop which is almost the same distance as LAX-HKG which is flwon by 744s. It would be nice if someone would fly LAX-SYD or perhaps LAX-BNE nonstop and with 777s. Maybe Continental or possibly Delta Air Lines if they are REALLY interested in expanding transpac service from LAX. Maybe they would reinstate the LAX-HKG flight also....The777Man


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