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China Eastern Airlines 738 And A320?  
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9966 posts, RR: 15
Posted (12 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 2601 times:

I read in a news article about China Eastern Airlines' (UM) delivery of their first Boeing 737-800. I know they also have the A320 on order, so why operating the 737-800 next to the A320? These aircraft are direct competitors to each other and are mostly used on the same routes. Does the 737-800 for China Eastern Airlines (UM) order also have to do with the larger Boeing order placed by the Civil Aviation Authority of China (CAAC) some time ago? Politics?

I welcome airlines who use both Boeing and Airbus aircraft, but this is a rare sight nowadays. Air France, Cathay Pacific Airways, United Airlines, and Qantas Airways are the very few airlines who will have both Airbus and Boeing aircraft in their (future) fleet. Fleet harmonisation seems to be the way to go nowadays, which I can understand in a way. Operating both Airbus and Boeing aircraft is more exciting from a spotter's point of view.

Any comments on this?

A388

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User currently offlineDuncan From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 2590 times:

I agree, strange to have competing models in the same fleet most of the other airlines you mention have a mixed fleet, but no (or very little) overlap between models.
Usually if there is overlap the airline is going through fleet renewal/upgrade program where the older A/c (usually Boeing) are being retired. To have new aircraft of both manufacturers coming into the same airline is strange, unless one model is a lease option until the remainder of the order is received? Just throwing out some ideas.......

Duncan


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Its Politics, for the record its MU not UM and they have just received their first 73G not 738. Its CZ that have the A320 and are getting the 738.


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

everything regarding the airline "industry" in mainland china has to do with politics.


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

What I was trying to say but without being attacked was its the American's telling China they have to buy this that and the other !!

User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Nobody "tells" China to buy anything. If anything at all, it's just part of the give-&-take in the world of international politics. It's no secret that big Airbus or Boeing orders has often been used as chips at the diplomatic bargaining table all around the world, especially with nations whose government has an active involvement in its national airline industry.

User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6626 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

"You want Most Favoured Nation trading status? You buy a bunch of Boeings and we'll see"

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

US paranoia. Do you really believe China will allow itself to be dictated by the US? China has been splitting orders between Airbus and Boeing fairly evenly in the past few years. If US had any say, US would love to have China staying mostly with the US products like they did a decade or two ago. CAAC used to assign the Beijing and Guangzhou bureaus with Boeing planes, and the Shanghai bureau with Douglas and Airbus planes. In the 90s, China had a few rows with the US and started ordering more and more Airbuses as a form of protest. With the number of Airbus planes ordered, the Shanghai bureau could no longer take all the non-Boeing planes ordered by CAAC. Then, mixed Boeing and Airbus fleet become more and more common among Chinese carriers. It's China's own doing, it has nothing to do with the US.

User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

N949WP and Dynkrisolo,

What ever you say !!


User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Perhaps China wants to study both Boeing and Airbus aircraft because they're thinking of developing their own line of single aisle aircraft.
I'm sorry, but, I don't see China as a nation you can strong arm into buying anything from anybody. The news casts over here keep referring to the U.S. as being the world's only super power, but, who really knows what China's got? Not a gamble I'm willing to take.
With over one fifth of the world's population, I imagine China is capable of doing almost anything they want...... Including designing and manufacturing airplanes for civilian transport.
And that's my two cents. I can almost hear the uproar already :-]


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Hkgspotter1:

It's not a matter of whatever I say. I use examples to support my argument. You just stated as your opinion without any proofs.


User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

hope that wasn't in refrence to me. didn't mean to offend anyone. There have been many instances of aircraft purchases being VERY political, tohugh (I'm thinking suadia right now). At anyrate China isn't bossed around by anyone. They use aircraft purchases as carrots in front of western politions. Its just shrwed politics.


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

According to the recent Chinese (incl. some news reported in Hong Kong, Macao) news reports, China Eastern Airlines (MU) didn't have any Airbus jets before 1985. However, until now, China Eastern Airlines has 43 Airbuses, about 60% of its fleet.

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months ago) and read 2435 times:

IIRC, China started ordering Airbus around mid 80s. MU, or the Shanghai bureau of CAAC, always had a large fleet of non-Boeing aircraft. They are the biggest MD-80 operator in China.

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