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Air NZ To Announce New Aircraft Type Today (4Jul)  
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Press conference at 1500.. all going well should be announced whether the A320 or 738 has been chosenใ


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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

1500Z?



Doug
PDX/LAF/IND



When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineAndrew From Singapore, joined Dec 1999, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

I'm betting on the A320. A friend of mine at AirNZ mentioned that he was going to Toulouse to finalise a deal for the some new Airbus aircraft.




User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

1500 AKL time is 0300 GMT, 1300 SYD.


717,721/2,732/3/4/5/7/8/9,742/3/4,752/3,762/3,772,W,A310,320,321,332,333,388,DC9,DC10,F28,F100,142,143,E90,CR2,D82/3/4,S
User currently offlineJetkid From New Zealand, joined Jun 2001, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

It does seem odd to me they need to get new planes with the way things are at the moment. Whats wrong with the 733's, they are far more comfortable than the QF 733's over here.

Still, I wont mind flying on them if they do get them!

Jetkid  Smile


User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

11.09 AEST 4/6/02
[Dow Jones] Air NZ (AIZ) executives could announce major upgrade of aircraft fleet at early afternoon news conference in Auckland. AFR.com says deal could be worth up to A$1.5 billion and "will increase the urgency for an injection of new capital in the majority New Zealand government-owned carrier" and help plans for Qantas (QAN) to take 25% stake in the process. Air NZ up 1 cent at 56 cents in Sydney trade, Qantas (QAN) ahead 5 cents at A$4.60. (IGP)


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1865 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

I could be wrong, but I believe the selection would be between A319/B73G not A320/B738.

User currently offlineCathay111 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 55 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

After a bit of insider trading, I'm tipping 738's with winglets!

Is there a prize for nearest correct answer???

CM


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Dow Jones or Reuters reports that NZ is currently considering the following:

737-700/-800/-900

or

A320.


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

From Dow Jones report:

....The report, which didn't cite sources, said Air New Zealand has been in negotiations with Boeing Co. (BA) and Airbus (F.ABI) to replace its existing fleet of 15 Boeing 737-300s, adding the airline has been considering Boeing 737-700s, 737-800s, 737-900s and Airbus A320s....



User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

4th of July? Does that mean it's gonna be American  Smile

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

It's 1500 in AKL now...

User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

From press release moments ago...
Air New Zealand Fleet Announcement

Air New Zealand is acquiring 15 new Airbus A320 aircraft and purchase rights on a further 20 A320 aircraft, exercisable over the next 10 years, under an agreement signed with Airbus today.

“We are bringing in a new aircraft type to support a strategic change in the service and products we will be offering to short-haul international travellers on Air New Zealand’s Tasman and South Pacific routes,” the Managing Director and CEO of the Group Ralph Norris said in announcing the A320 acquisition deal.

“The Airbus aircraft will give us new capabilities for our short-haul international operations in terms of range, passenger and cargo carrying capacity, seat and cabin configurations, and in-flight services.

“We currently use a mix of Boeing 767 and 737 type aircraft on our short-haul international services and consolidation on a single type aircraft will simplify both operation and support service requirements.

“Introducing Airbus A320 aircraft to our fleet will also expand our engineering capability and enable our ANZES engineering unit to increase its range of third party contract services.

“At this time, we envisage continuing to use Boeing aircraft for Air New Zealand domestic and long-haul international services,” Mr Norris said.

Ten of the 15 A320 aircraft, a simulator, spares and other associated items are being acquired via a combination of purchase and leasing arrangements still to be finally determined by the Board of Air New Zealand within a capital investment budget in excess of US$400 million. Five of the aircraft will be acquired from the leasing company GECAS under a standard operating lease arrangements.

The first of the new A320 aircraft will be inducted into the Air New Zealand fleet at the end of October next year, and the 15th aircraft is scheduled to be delivered towards the end of 2006.

These aircraft will replace four Boeing 767-200 aircraft that are currently being retired from the Air New Zealand fleet and nine Boeing 737-300 aircraft that will be progressively retired from the fleet between September 2003 and December 2006.

The purchase of the new aircraft will have a net positive impact on Air New Zealand’s financial performance as the enhanced operating efficiency of the new aircraft, and increased seat numbers, more than offset the cost of incremental capital employed in the new fleet.

Financing for the acquisition will be secured against the aircraft and is not expected to affect the Group’s gearing levels. The acquisition can be financed without any recourse to the shareholders.

The A320 is well suited to Air New Zealand’s needs in the Tasman and short-haul Pacific markets, with more seating capacity than the Group’s existing fleet of Boeing 737 and 767 type aircraft. The A320 is capable of carrying containerised cargo and has a greater range than the 737-300 making it a better fit for the missions required by the regional market.

Under the terms of its agreement with Airbus, Air New Zealand has the right to switch between the A320 aircraft and either the larger A321 aircraft or the smaller A319 aircraft prior to delivery, should market conditions change. If this right is exercised, financial terms would be adjusted accordingly.

In addition to its commitment to acquire the 15 aircraft, Air New Zealand has secured purchase rights on a further 20 Airbus aircraft at agreed prices in the future. These rights lock in prices based on current market conditions for future acquisitions by Air New Zealand without any fixed obligation to purchase. These arrangements provide the Group with the ability to replace its entire Tasman and short-haul Pacific fleet within the next decade.



User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 866 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

Im sitting here waiting!!! Soemone hurry up and spill the beans.

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

GEEZ. Total surprise.

A320???


User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 913 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Go Airbus! Well done to Air New Zealand for choosing such a great aircraft!

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

did Airbus offers CHEAP price again?

User currently offlineAamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Most likely Jiml1126,
Wouldnt suprise me if they gave them the aircraft  Big grin
Isnt that what they did with Swiss?

A^A MD-11


User currently offlineRmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

I've gotta ask this one, didn't they learn anything from there days at Ansett??
All of the NZ engineering managers at AN cringed the mixing of Airbus/Boeing fleets for an airline of it's size. Now an even smaller airline is going down the same path. Sounds like a bean counter made they decision with no engineering input.

Rmm


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

I would rather see this as ANZ following BA's path.

Widebody goes Boeing.
Narrowbody goes Airbus.

Ansett's problem was that they both have A320 and B767-200 flying on the same medium-haul route, which hurts AN.


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

If Qantas is going to buy a stake in ANZ wouldn't they want commodity with Qantas 738's

User currently offlineAirworthy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Any word on the engines? You know if this will be from United's deferred orders, a la Ansett's "Tesna" plan???

User currently offlineMEA From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Excellent, we get to the see the A320 in Australian skies again. It will be interesting to see how these aircraft look wearing Air NZ colours.

I also expect Air NZ to order a number of A319 & A321 aircraft in the future. This will assist them with matching relevant aircraft to pax on routes throughout the region.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

They will probably keep the B 767-200 for sometime.

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5329 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Well is this the beginning of a new Air New Zealand I think so!!

Well atleast now us spotters in NZ will get to see some short haul airbuses!! Also I think Qantas will bring in brand new 737-800's to NZ once NZ starts recieveing these new A320's.

I actually think the 767-200's will be the first to go but I may be wrong.


25 Wirraway : Dow Jones "The new aircraft will replace four Boeing 767-200 aircraft that are currently being retired from Air New Zealand's fleet and nine Boeing 73
26 KFRG : United Airline, it has been reported that ANZ will be retiring that B762's, and will use the B763's on international service. -Tom
27 MEA : I doubt it United from their media release I got the impression that the B762 will be the first aircraft type to leave the fleet. The media release sa
28 Kiwi dave : I wonder which 733s will go? Also good news from AirNZ not the aircraft I was expecting.
29 TG992 : I've had a pic of the new aircraft since Monday - beautiful pic, all 3 types flying in formation in NZ colours. Strictly embargoed, but should be rele
30 The Coachman : Very, very interesting... This discourages QF from taking a stake, it looks as though the Kiwis are trying to take a stand with their national airline
31 Aerorobnz : Who's gonna fly them??? all the ex Ansett A320 pilots??? I have my doubts whether it will end up being the best move they've ever made.
32 Post contains images TG992 : Here's a pic just released to the public website..
33 Post contains images Diz :
34 Diz : Notice the different engine types.. they arnt giving anything away are they. Though the more efficient V2500 engines would likely win out? (esp if eff
35 The Coachman : Although the press release says that they will remain with Boeing for long-haul, it's not inconceivable that they choose the Airbus widebodies...but t
36 Tullamarine : I noticed the different engine types. As I understood it ANZES was to be the South Pacific service centre for IAE/P&W which would suggest that the V25
37 Post contains images 9V-SVC : I am quite surprise with NZ's decision . I hope they order A330-200s and B777-200ERs for med and long routes respectively . Charles
38 Tullamarine : The other mildly interesting thing about the artists' impressions, other than the engines, is the missing Star logos aft of the cockpit windows?!
39 Post contains images Mx5_boy : Tulla, Don't you mean they forgot to put the one world sticker on? mb
40 Dalecary : seeing 5 of the planes are being leased from GECAS, I think the CFM powerplant would be a clear favourite. There appears to have been a last minute ch
41 AOMlover : YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!! A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 A 320 She'll look
42 Post contains images NZ767 : Guys, As far as fleet commonality with Qantas goes, this is a non-issue. Qantas are looking at a possible "stake" in Air NZ (up to 25%), not a full bl
43 FlyboyOz : I imaged that B733s will be trashed! Because B733s are old and no longer available in the future.
44 Oz777 : There are some fundamental issues why ANZ went the Airbus way. One of the most important is cargo/freight. The problem with the B737 was that it was s
45 Jesseycy : Hmm, will the passengers like a narrowbody for a 3 hr flight across the Tasman? Wonder what their reaction would be? IMO, a widebody should be used...
46 Post contains images NZ767 : Jesseycy, Narrowbodies have been used Trans-Tasman and for the Pacific Islands for generations. Kiwi International, Air New Zealand (even in the DC8 d
47 United Airline : Air New Zealand has an ALL Boeing Fleet for widebodies (B 767-200(To be retired in 2004), B 767-300ER, as well as the B 747-400). It is likely that th
48 ZK-NBT : Well I don't no guys but here's my early opinion on the long haul fleet. 763 to stay 332 has to close a capacity to 763 so I doubt they will take this
49 Post contains images GKirk : Poor ANZ, what were they thinking? Ordering a bunch of lawnmowers Admit it, A320s do sound like lawnmowers
50 Post contains images NZ767 : Hey GKirk, I thought you were off on holiday with Banana Air?
51 United Airline : ZK-NBT, The B 747-400QLR has longer range. That might be an advantage for Air NZ to choose them instead of the B 777-300ER. But seriously, NZ's B 747-
52 Al : I'm interested to know the current Tech crew "bases" or trip allocations and if this will affect things with them. They're already unhappy about a few
53 Post contains images GKirk : Nah, I go on holiday in October
54 Post contains images Manni : Very nice to see Airbusses aswell in Air New Zealands livery. Also very interesting comments from some of you. Well, not really...
55 Widebody : A little information for some of the above, when IA announced the big A32FAM order a while back, many attacked the pricing strategy adopted by Airbus.
56 Post contains images Boeing767-300 : Well we are about to lose our Airbus Free Zone status in Wellington. It is sad to see such a longstanding workhorse the 732 (1968)& 733 replaced with
57 Post contains images Jiml1126 : Those Koru are beautiful on 320!
58 Dalecary : The point remains that those in the know were under the impression that the 737NG had been selected. There appears to have been a last minute change o
59 Oz777 : Dale I agree that those in the 'know' were predicting the B737NG, but at the end of the day, as I said a long time ago, you have a Banker in charge of
60 Dalecary : Oz777, your comments as per usual make a lot of sense. Please, I never made comments about airlines going broke that bought Airbus,although I still qu
61 MattNZ : Wow! I can't believe it finally an order! The sooner the 762's go the better, on a recent trip to BNE from AKL the seats were rattling, creaking, the
62 Tullamarine : Whilst maintenance costs may be an issue, I'd expect Airbus has recognised this and will effectively indemnify NZ against these costs due to the impor
63 Sabenapilot : From the Airbus website: JULY 4, 2002 AIR NEW ZEALAND BECOMES NEW CUSTOMER BY SELECTING A320. Air New Zealand has concluded an agreement with Airbus t
64 Jet_guy : interestingly enough, at my work the other day i saw a folder with the title "Boeing 737 product information update - Prepared for Air New Zealand" in
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