Boeing777311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 126 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
I was looking on the Boeing website and it shows that nwa ordered no DC-9's new from Douglas yet they have such a large fleet of them. Where did they all come from?
Gr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1583 posts, RR: 16 Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1338 times:
A large number came from Eastern. They still carry Eastern registrations.
Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6468 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1334 times:
Until they merged Republic in-- 1986? Northwest had no DC-9s, did they?
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1313 times:
N8979E is one of the examples of Eastern Ships. Check this. When you see a DC9 with NWA, If it has one of the BIG Galley Doors instead of the usual small one, Then you know it is an Eastern Ship. Eastern ordered their -30s with Bigger galley doors than standard DC9s have. Look for Registration N922RW and you will see what I am talking about.. Also, look at N8979E
Gr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1583 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1273 times:
Timz,
Correct. Northwest, along with National, operated no twin-jets until they bought out Republic. At the time of deregulation, American, TWA and Continental had disposed of their twins (1-11s and DC-9s) so they, too, used the 727 as their smallest jet.
Cschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1033 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1230 times:
Republic had a large DC-9 fleet, in turn from its creation following mergers of Hughes Airwest, North Central, and Southern wasn't it? DC-9's were the majority in all of their fleets.
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1168 times:
BR715-A130 - Eastern's DC9s didn't have larger galley doors. (As evidenced in the pics below).
Gr8SlvrFlt - Actually TWA operated DC9s until the American merger...Continental operated them until two years ago, and American never operated the DC9 (only the Super 80).
As for the post topic, yep NWA inherited Republic's DC9s, and then scooped up the vast majority of Eastern's DC9 fleet in the early nineties.
Maiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1166 times:
Its safe to say my hometown airport (KTVC) has seen all the NW DC9-50's. NC/RC/NW from 1970-present, under all the colors. NW still carries the 'NC' in the majority of the -50 srs.
Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 28 Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1129 times:
Yep, CO had gotten rid of its 9's, but when Texas Air's Texas International acquired the failing Continental in 1982-83, operations were consolidated under the Continental name, and the TI DC-9 fleet was re-liveried in CO colors. See below, one of the interim colorschemes, essentially TI colrs with CO title (note the big TI star on the tail).
DL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1761 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1098 times:
Actually, the large door -9's were ordered by "the top banana in the west"
DL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1761 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1091 times:
I just checked Bill Harms' website and the large door -9's did originally carry EAL regs......Br715-A1-30 was correct.
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Gr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1583 posts, RR: 16 Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1074 times:
Travatl,
Nope, Eastern's DC-9-31s did have forward galley doors considerably larger than the DC-9-51s and most other carriers' DC-9-30s. The pictures you posted do show the larger door. For comparison, here is a -10 with the small door and a -30 with the larger one:
The top edge of the smaller door is at the same level as the top of the cabin windows. I'm sure the caterers and cleaners really appreciated the difference! One exception is the three -31s inherited from Caribair: they had the smaller doors (as well as rear airstars):
TWA had sold its original DC-9-10s in the seventies but started again when Ozark was absorbed. Same with Continental; they sold their -10s in the seventies but later inherited nines from Texas International and New York Air. American did not have nines but they did have 1-11s, sold in the seventies. BTW, Braniff also sold off their twin-jet fleet (1-11s) in the seventies (maybe earlier) and concentrated on 727s until Braniff II took over Florida Express in the eighties.
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1041 times:
Well cut off my legs, and call me shorty...it's back to airplane school for me. I stand corrected.
Flygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1017 times:
"Correct. Northwest, along with National, operated no twin-jets until they bought out Republic. "
Actually this statement is incorrect. Northwest had ordered it's own 757's prior to the Republic merger. N501US was delivered to Northwest Orient in Feb 85. The Repbulic merger was not until 1986.
Gr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1583 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1009 times:
Sorry, make that first generation narrow-body short-haul twinjets.
Nwa757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 298 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 998 times:
The NW DC-9s with the large galley doors have plug-hatch emergency exits in the tailcone instead of the pressure bulkhead doors like the one below.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 961 times:
North Central + Southern = Republic......all big DC9 operators, North Central was the biggest customer for the DC9-50. Southern had -10s and -30s, most of which were second hand from a variety of sources.
Republic then merged with (bought) Hughes Airwest, which also had a variety of DC9s, some of which were second hand from the major airlines. Hughes Airwest was itself a combination of other small west coast carriers, including Bonanza, Pacific Coastal, and others.
Republic + Northwest Orient = NORTHWEST. Northwest took the DC9 fleet and aggressively added to it, picking up many examples from failed Eastern Airlines as well as Alitalia, SAS, and a handful from other airlines on a one by one basis. NW recently updated the DC9-30/40/50 fleet, with hush kits, technical improvements and new MD90 type interiors and plans to fly these workhorses for many more years to come.
Lets not discuss what NW will replace the DC9 with, we seem to do date every week in this forum!
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5476 posts, RR: 21 Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 945 times:
Hmm, interesting information, I never knew all that. BTW Maiznblu_757 is Boeing757fan! Welcome back!
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 935 times:
Some of the oldest DC-9s NW flies are some of the 10 series that were part of Southern's fleet; in fact, they are the oldest ones still flying in passenger service.
Iflewrepublic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 537 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 921 times:
The oldest DC-9's in the fleet did not come from Southern Airways. They, in fact, came from Bonanza Airlines, which was one of the predecessors to Hughes Airwest. The DC-9-10's with an "N" number ending in "L" were originally delivered to Bonanza in the 1960's...and they've been kept in meticulous condition since.
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Exnonrev From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 621 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 901 times:
Currently the oldest of the NW Nines is N930RC (msn 45729/ln 16 ex-N946L), delivered to Bonanza on January 16, 1966. Ship 9140 began life as one of only three DC-9-11s built. The -11 had an MTOW of 77,500 lbs, which met the old FAA rule for a two man crew. When the 80,000 lb limit was lifted in early 1965, Douglas offered an upgrade to -14 standard to customers with -11s on order. Bonanza was the only one to keep the -11s as is.
All three (N945L, N946L, and N947L) were converted to -14s by Air West in 1969. 9140 (re-registered N930RC by Republic after spending a few years with Finnair) is the last of BZ's original three still at NW. As of her last SDR filing in April 2001, 9140 had 69,201 hours and 96,589 cycles. With an average of around 2,000 cycles per year, 9140 should be reaching NWA's 100,000 cycle retirement limit by the end of this year.
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