Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
More Plane Thoughts From BUF  
User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1004 times:

To all:

Only a couple of weeks since posting about the absence of US Airbii in BUF,
I now see them on a regular basis. I believe these are A319's based on the size, but they look quite smart in US dark blue. Somehow, the smaller Airbus seem to lack the aesthetic appeal of the 737NG or the A330/340, but that's a personal opinion. After all, "handsome is as handsome does" and Airbus certainly sells plenty of them.

The UPS 757F has returned; this wonderful ship went right over the house early last week. On another aesthetic note, I often wonder why people criticize this craft for being "too long, too thin", ect. This a/c, like the A340, is wonderfully reminiscent of my favorite, the DC8, which incidently, I hope UPS soon brings back to BUF. UPS is about the only carrier which can bring you the DC8, 757 and the A306!

The AA 738's have now been absent from BUF for ~ 2 years now. After a rather long run of initial service here, AA has removed them and BUF has seen a monotonous parade of MD80's with the occasional F100.  Big grin

There has been a notable absense of charters out of BUF; no (sadly)AirTranSat or North American visits to my knowledge this year.

Vanguard still has only weekend service with old-color 732's. No sign of any of their new MD-80's. Based on the files I've seen in the Photo Index here, these are some very smart-looking ships.

As always, best wishes to all the Buffalo expatriates out there; I'll let you know if anything noteworthy in aviation happens here.  Big grin

Regards,

F4N





12 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 984 times:

Thanks for the updates. I know a bunch of us Buffalonians living in other cities like to hear the latest aviation news from KBUF. Maybe when football and hockey season picks up again, you will see some interesting charters and maybe even a widebody or two.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 957 times:

Is US flying any A321's into BUF? US has been using them at ROC on weekends, and then when I was home a month ago I saw one during the week. Generally the largest passenger planes at ROC are the 150-seat variety--320, 734, 722 or M80. What is FedEx flying into BUF nowadays? We get A310's daily at Rochester. I saw the UPS A300 at BUF several times in 2000 and 2001, but haven't been there since 9-11.

I remember when my family drove past BUF on trips west years ago, how thrilled I was to see Eastern L-1011's.

It's always a pleasure to hear updates from any of the Upstate airports.

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Jim:

Buffalo ops pretty much mirrors what you see in Rochester, mostly the 150 seat flavors. I have not yet seen an A321 in BUF, but then again I only recently saw my first A319 here. I suspect that a 321 will be as novel here as a 752 is.

FedEx continues 727F service in BUF. I would love to see a 310F, but so far it's a nogo. I've been most interested in FedEx lately since a noteworthy decal manufacturer has released a FedEx series in the major airline scale. Kit availability leans towards the A310; space realities in the house; the 727.

I was told that AirTran has finally started 717 service here although I have been unable to verify.

I have heard a rumor of ATA to BUF in the future, but while that would most interesting, I have difficulty seeing it as reality.

Best regards,

F4N


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 923 times:

AirTran does fly 717s into BUF- I flew on one about a month ago to ATL.

User currently offlineI LOVE EWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 852 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 916 times:

I was just in BUF this weekend. MY family had a reunion in Batavia and we flew into and out of BUF on USAirways. Noticed that Ryan International had an old SWA 732 that was probably a Casino Charter to ACY. I noticed Delta had a ton of 727s into BUF including ones with the new new colors. I had to pick up some family members at ROC. Usairways does have a morning A319 service to LGA but I am not sure what else they have over there. I believe BUF and ROC will continue to grow and you will start to see more and more aircraft varities at the airport.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 874 times:

I have heard a rumor of ATA to BUF in the future, but while that would most interesting, I have difficulty seeing it as reality.

I think ATA is unlikely in Upstate NY too, but not because of any weakness in the westbound market. All four Upstate airports have a big westbound service component--AA, UA, NW all run mainline service and CO, DL have RJ service.

The low-fare service in Upstate NY is mostly southbound--AirTran at BUF and ROC; JetBlue at BUF, ROC, SYR; Southwest at BUF, ALB. What westbound low-fare service there is, mostly skips 'flyover country' and only impacts the far west; WN leaps to PHX and LAS from BUF. JetBlue's JFK transcons are mostly to secondary airports and haven't had a big impact on westbound fares or enplanements in Upstate NY.

Southwest service from BUF and ALB to the MDW hub would be a hot seller, I think. Not only would it offer one-connection flights right to LAX and SAN, but importantly it would cover lots of terrain in between--STL and MCI plus many medium-size midwestern cities. I would be surprised if WN *doesn't* start BUF-MDW and ALB-MDW within a year. The big new airside building at MDW is almost finished. WN says a big chunk of the 3,000 new positions it announced in March will be at MDW.

Vanguard has done poorly on BUF-MDW-MCI because it doesn't offer many connecting opportunities. ATA would not offer near as many connecting opportunities as WN. ATA's Saabs--all it could fill on UNY routes, I think--would have a hard time competing against shiny WN 73G's with better connecting opportunities.

If anything, I could see ATA starting Saab service to ROC and SYR because WN doesn't serve those markets. When US goes under, though, all bets are off: I predict WN in ROC and SYR within months of US's demise. By 2005, it's conceiveable that WN could control 30 percent or more of all air traffic in Upstate New York.

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 846 times:

I know United uses the CRJ on the IAD flights and also some to ORD. Do they use any larger equipment at BUF?

User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 836 times:

Hey,

Doesnt BUF also see the L-1011 and Occasional A310 from Air Transat during the winter season? I do believe they do charters from BUF to Cancun and Punta Cana. Must be real good to see it at BUF.

Regards,

BWIA330


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 829 times:

I saw on justplanes.com that AA will halt service to DFW at the end of Sept.


Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 821 times:

I know United uses the CRJ on the IAD flights and also some to ORD. Do they use any larger equipment at BUF?

Current timetable shows 6 dailies on BUF-ORD: 3 735 (one becomes an A320 in Sept) and 3 CRJ.

AA is canceling BUF-DFW? I wonder if that will be reinstated with ERJ's--say one AM and one PM--at some point in the future. It's now one daily M80 if I remember right. 2 ERJ's would be a 30 percent reduction in capacity, thus lowering the profitability bar. Of course AA's "Scope Nazi" pilot union is hamstringing Eagle and RJ ops ("NO RJ'S FOR YOU!!") so it's probably more economical for AA to cancel BUF-DFW than run smaller a/c and try to make it work. Yessir, passengers come come first at the Cartel....

Jim



Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineI LOVE EWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 852 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 807 times:

O yeah that reminds me I saw an UAL A320 at BUF this past Saturday around 1:00 PM not sure where it was going but I would assume ORD.

User currently offlineBUFJets From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 798 times:

FYI.... AA direct service to DFW from BUF is seasonal. They did it that way last year also. This seasonal service is communicated to AAdvantage passengers in advance of the spring/summer season.

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
2 More FR Routes From BLL posted Thu Sep 7 2006 12:24:00 by 747400F
Some Thoughts From Carson Of Boeing posted Sat Jun 24 2006 17:10:02 by M27
DL 561 Tmw - Where Does Plane Come From? posted Fri Apr 28 2006 17:10:05 by Dartland
Plane Orders From India posted Tue Apr 25 2006 01:56:54 by Aseem
Cheaper Flights With More Plane Changes? posted Wed Apr 12 2006 10:44:18 by Ravel
More Wierd Stuff From Delta: ATL-SOP 6x Weekly posted Thu Mar 23 2006 22:25:01 by TWA902fly
CO ADD More Flights Florida From EWR posted Wed Jul 13 2005 03:25:15 by Wncmh
No More Basiq Air From Sunday December 12th posted Sat Dec 11 2004 02:07:34 by LifelinerOne
More Tx Flights From Bristol posted Tue Oct 19 2004 13:23:16 by GKirk
Even More Delta Connection From TPA & MCO posted Wed Sep 22 2004 02:26:22 by Falcon Flyer