Airplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 3 Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 722 times:
Would it be allowed for an airline to have certain divisions? For instance, let's take Bob Airways based at JFK. They are a US airline, so thus an American company. Bob Airways wants to expand to Europe beyond the destinations that can fill a plane from the US to Europe such as CDG or FRA. Bob Airways wants to fly to smaller destinations. Could Bob Airways start a division of Bob Airways, Bob Airways Europe, based in FRA? Then let's say that Bob Airways wants to set up other divisions, Bob Airways Austalia (SYD), Bob Airways Asia (NRT or BKK), Bob Airways Africa (CAI or Nairobi or JNB), Bob Airways Middle East (DXB), etc. Could Bob Airways do that?
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 716 times:
It depends on the restrictions on foreign ownership imposed by each individual jurisdiction. Even though Bob Airways Europe may be a European entity, its ownership structure would still be American and that is where restrictions begin the creep in.
ETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2010 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 677 times:
In theory, if Bob was a dual national, he may be able to circumvent some tof the restrictions, but that would then open up another line of questioning.
Spark From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 431 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 663 times:
Isn't this fairly common practice in Europe. KLMuk, and DuetscheBA all come to mind. Aren't there BA Franchises that do more of the same thing. Obviousily it would be a lot more difficult for an European Airline to start an American Division, or Visa-Versa.
Doug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3163 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 639 times:
I always assumed KLMuk and such were similar to regional affiliates, owned in their own country and contracting out to the respective airline.
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 626 times:
Isn't Continental Micronesia a variation of what you're talking about?
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Gdabski From Poland, joined Oct 2001, 423 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 610 times:
Are KLMUK and DeutscheBA actually British and German companies respectively? And aren't you allowed to established a company anywhere within the EU when you're a EU citizen?
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 600 times:
I think that it is. Every airline (major ones) have divisions and subsidiaries.
Singapore Airlines for example has many divisions/subisdiaries. Here are the list of primary (direct) subsidiaties.
Singapore Airlines Limited owns:
87% of Singapore Airport Terminal Services Limited
100% of SilkAir (Singapore) Private Limited
56% of Abacus Travel Systems Pte Ltd
87% of SIA Engineering Company limited
100% of Singapore Airlienes Cargo Private Limited
100% of SIA Properties (Pte) Ltd
100% of Singapore Flying College Pte Ltd
100% of Star Kingdom Investment Ltd
100% of Sing-Bi Funds Private Limited
100% of Auspice Limited
100$ of Singapore Airlines (Mauritius) Ltd
100% of Singapore Aviaion and General Insurance Company (Pte) Limited
76% of Singapore Airport Duty-Free Emporium (Private) Limited
51% of Cargo Community Network Pte Limited
51% of Aviation Software Development Consultancy India Ltd
50% of Service Quality (SQ) Centre Pte Ltd
49% of Virgin Atlantic Limited
35.5% of SIngapore AIrcraft Leasing Enterprise Pte Ltd
21% of Asia Leasing Limited
20% of Evergreen Air Cargo Services Corporation
20% of Ritz-Carlton, Millenia Singapore Properties Private Limited
4.6% of Air New Zealand
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 567 times:
In the US, the carrier must be a US citizen to operate in the country. The legal test is complicated and rests own the ownership of the stock and the citizenship of the managers and directors of the company. Continental "Air Mike" is based in Guam so it has no such problem.
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