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User currently offlineJFKTOWERFAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 15
Posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1555 times:
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Just saw this pic and thought it was one of the strangest planes I had ever seen. Anyone know anything about it?

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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Not that odd!!! It does fly, but thats about all the information I can give you  Smile.

There are odder planes... built in Russia (like the he-man type one, lol).


User currently offlineToady From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

I thought they were French. ??

User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Hmmm.........That looks like an Airbus A317! Big grin

User currently offlineJFKTOWERFAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1455 times:
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If an A-10 warthog came in a passenger version this would be it! Big grin


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User currently offlineCaravelle From Norway, joined Aug 2000, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

I think TAT was one of the few airlines that actually bought the darned thing. And Cimber Air, if my memory serves me... Speaking of strange looking planes, the Boeing YC-14 military STOL was no beauty!
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

- caravelle




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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

Yes indeed, the delightful VFW 614.

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

I understand that the engines were mounted above the wing to keep the undercarriage to a short, solid design so that the aircraft could be used in rough environments.

Innovative stuff but only around 20 were put together. Saw brief service as a regional jet but not very successful and the few that survived ended up with the Luftwaffe or as experimental aircraft (monitoring of exhaust, for example).


User currently offlineDash8tech From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 732 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

Yah! Put big enough engines on anything and it'll fly!

Kidding...

Cheers!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineTechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

Dornier is using this aircraft as a test platform for the Do728 Fly By Wire system.

TechRep


User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Are the overwing engines a hinderance to maintenance?

What about evacuation? The shadow of the engine is on the exit, so I assume it's a bit squishy getting out!



Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1299 times:


Hi!

Good to review this unique airplane. It was not a common one in US skies I presume and I'm sure most of the young generation spotters are quite surprised with this aircraft. But for some of us this airplane was quite popular in Europe during the 70's and 80's. German Air Force used them as a VIP aircraft so I remember seeing them quite often in Lisbon carrying VIP's, civil and military. Good to see a nice picture of it here!
regards


User currently offlineJapanguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1273 times:

I put a model of a NW A320 together like this by accident once.... Pretty funny look.

User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

What about the emergency procedures of the overwing exit?

Couldn't you be hurt with that engine next to the exit?


User currently offlineMeechy36 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

One of the early RJ's. Cimber Air was the only one that I remember seeing in airline colors. I checked one of my old books and said it held 44 pax at 4 abreast seating. When I was a kid this was one of my favorite planes, along with the L-1011, I hoped that an American carrier would buy them so I could get a chance to fly one, none did and neither did I.

Mike-BOS


User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

Hardly "successful", only 19 were built and of those, most were bought back in the years following the cancellation of the program and scrapped to avoid having to support the aircraft later. 3 survive w/the Luftwaffe (although I cannot say if they have flown recently), one with Dornier and at least two are in storage in Copenhagen and possibly airworthy. Apparantly the aircraft performed well and was reasonably efficient given that it was a product of the early 70s.

I have heard that not all 19 were ever delivered to their customers with some airframes being scrapped before delivery. I guess the world was not ready for a regional jet in 1974.


User currently offlineCaravelle From Norway, joined Aug 2000, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

At some stage there were plans to licence production of the aircraft to Romania in the old Ceaucescu days. As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the way the engines were mounted made the VFW 614 suitanble for short and rough runways, and that meant looking closely at the Eastern European markets.
But I still maintain she´s a beauty compared to the Boeng YF-14, with its engines mounted on top of the wings, and extending almost to the nose of the airplane!

- caravelle



Trains and boats and planes....
User currently offlineLZ-TLT From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 922 times:

The 3 Luftwaffe VFW were sold to Muk Air. After Muk Air's demise, they are now stored at Copenhagen. Last info I had on them was, they were to be converted as freighters for DAT (Danish Air Transport). Sad thing, I would barf my guts out if I ever see this plane with DAT's "Lego" livery.

The placement of the engines on top of the wing was done to ensure the capability of the VFW614 to operate from rough and unprepared strips (lower ingestion risk for debris and dust compared to underwing or tail-mounted). Just think why a DC-9 has ALWAYS to taxi with flaps 15 (YES, to prevent the engines ingesting something what does them no good). Also, a collateral effect of this was significant noise reduction.

The VFW TechRep mentioned is owned by the DLR (the german aeronautics and astronautic center) and is part of their "airborne simulator" program. The aircraft is part of their ATTAS program(Advanced Technology and Training Airborne Simulator). Throughout the years, it was used to test the flight dynamics and train test crews for almost all Airbus planes(A320, 330,340, 319, 318) and also some others.

To the folks bashing the VFW 614 being "hardly successful" or a constructional fauxpas - IT IS NOT!!!! The reasons why the project failed:

-the oil crisis
-Marketing of the plane was Fokker's responsibility, and Fokker did everything to bring the VFW down, since it was concurrency to their own F-27 and the F-50
-lower demand for RJ's in these years(the VFW came just 20 years too early on the market)
-the Governments of the countries participating in the project (Germany and the Netherlands) refused further re-financing when they concentrated on the airbus project instead.

for more infos:

http://www.dlr.de
http://www.vfw614.de

LZ


User currently offlineFabian Schuetz From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 168 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 878 times:

This is the one LZ-TLT is reffering to:


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