Cmchardyfl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 175 posts, RR: 1 Posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2221 times:
Why do airlines have Orient or Asia subsidaries in order to fly into Taiwan?? I may just be answering my own question as I figure its so the 'same' airline can fly into both mainland China and Taiwan. So if this is true, why is an airline not allowed to fly into Taiwan and mainland China?
Another question. What airlines have, or have had Orient or Asia subsideries? A few spring to mind:
I dont believe I have ever seen airlines such as United, Alitalia, Lufthansa, FedEx and others with Asia or Orient subsideries. Why not? Have they never flown into Taiwan?
Thank you in advance for any answers and I appologise in advance if this topic has been discussed in depth before. I had a good look around but could not see anything on this subject in months.
Boeingnut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2208 times:
You are right, it was so that they could fly into both Taiwan (Republic of China) and the Mainland (People's Republic of China)
The Mainland gov't didn't want any foreign carrier to recognize the gov't on Taiwan as legitimate by flying there, and for a while refused to give landing rights to any carrier that flew to both places, thus the ____ Asia airlines.
After a while, they relented, and now carriers fly to both without the Asia titles.
Northwest was Northwest Orient for all their flights up until the 80's, not just for their flights to Taiwan, at least I think.
Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2074 times:
Another word on the LH/Condor thing: the plane was simply painted in Condor livery, it had nothing to do with Condor. The interior continued to be 100% LH, the planed continued to be owned by LH.
That plane also flew other routes, because the TPE flight was only twice or thrice weekly. Nowadays, LH codeshares on TG into the R.O.C., so the a/c in question was repainted into the standard LH livery.
Britair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 933 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2032 times:
Here are some of the "-Asia" subsidaries. Including Mandarin Airlines which was originally China Airlines' own version of an "-Asia" subsidary, set up to fly to Australia and Canada.
British Asia is no more, with the end of Taipei services in March.
Australia Asia is no more either, in a clever bit of fine print, services from Australia to Taipei are actually operated by Qantas Ltd, not Qantas Airways Ltd, so "officially" the flights are leased from the mainline airline to the subsidary......a true paper airline. However when Australian Airlines takes over the route in October, Qantas Ltd will no longer exist.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2005 times:
What's interesting is that Japan Asia Airways proved to be a surprisingly profitable operation for JL.
The reason is simple: there are many ex-pat Taiwanese living in Japan, many of whom arrived in Japan to escape the Nationalist Chinese in 1949. Today, there is considerable traffic between Japan and Taiwan; many Japanese visit Taiwan on cheap all-inclusive vacations.
(A little off-topic but interesting tidbit: you can get the very latest Japanese manga translated to Chinese often within one week of publication in Japan. This is because 1) Japanese and Chinese are read right to left, so it simplifies artwork translation issues, and 2) the Japanese publishing houses have Chinese-fluent translators doing the word balloons for Japanese manga in Chinese at the same time the Japanese version is being done.)
I believe that JAA flies from TPE to FUK, KIX and now NRT. Fukuoka has a pretty large Chinese ex-pat population due to its closeness to China.
Dynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1863 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1891 times:
Singapore Airlines is not the only one. Excluding partially Chinese owned Air Macau and Dragonair, what about Thai, Malaysia, Philippine, Vietnam, Garuda(?), Qantas, United, Northwest, Air Canada, UPS, FedEx, and perhaps some more? If memory serves, Thai was the first airline to fly both Taiwan and China under the same brand name.