Alitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
Does anyone know what Air New Zealand and United are planning on doing to compete with Qantas with their A380's? Do either of them plan on purchasing this aircraft? Or will they buy the new stretched out 747's (747-600ER I think)? Will United start using the 777? Or do they just plan on keeping what they have.
Also, I know it has been discussed to death but is there any news on United installing PTV's in there 747's? Air New Zealand?
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2245 times:
First, the 745 and 746 are not happening, so that is out.
Traffic between the US and NZ is less that traffic between the US and Australia, thus ANZ does not really need the A380 at this time - maybe in a few years; ANZ is not a big player on the LAX-SYD route. UA is also a potential A380 customer, but it has lots of work to do concerning its finances before signing up for this wonderful but very expensive new airplane.
As traffic grows, look for UA and NZ to step up capicity on the South Pacific routes out of LAX and SFO, with extra 744s or 777s, and that is about it. QF has a commanding lead on the LAX-SYD/MEL/BNE routes and does quite well with its LAX-AKL route, and the A380s are needed.
AirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2538 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2205 times:
AirNZ is expected to release its cabin upgrade plans and long haul fleet announcement in Nov of this year, and yes Sleepers, PTV's are all expected. Expect it to look something like SQ!!
On the answer given by Dutchjet..
That is purely wrong. AirNZ far outweighs Qantas on its LAX routes. Many people choose to fly Qantas on domestic as they have no chance but too, but when reaching SYD they usually transfer to AirNZ as they deliver a far superior product people say.
Yes, sometimes QF can have higher loads, BUT the percentage of the time AirNZ outweighs QF 2-1!!
PS: You also have to take into consideration that QF has feeder traffic where as AirNZ donot! on the SYD-LAX SERVICE.
Alitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2198 times:
did you ever get any pictures of ANZ's 747 pacific class for me. If you don't remember, I was the person who emailed you about that, and you said that you would try next time they go in for maintenance. If you didn't get them, thats ok. I'll get over it, lol.
Al From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2038 times:
"On the answer given by Dutchjet..
That is purely wrong. AirNZ far outweighs Qantas on its LAX routes. Many people choose to fly Qantas on domestic as they have no chance but too, but when reaching SYD they usually transfer to AirNZ as they deliver a far superior product people say. Yes, sometimes QF can have higher loads, BUT the percentage of the time AirNZ outweighs QF 2-1!!"
Sorry Mikey, but that's totally incorrect (or purely wrong in your words ) and Dutchjet *is* right. It's QF that now "far outweighs" NZ on LAX. Just looking at it by schedule alone, QF run 4, (soon 5 on most days) per *day*, while NZ don't run that many per day N.Z. to LAX even if you include the South Pac milkruns and the nonstops from N.Z. as well as the 3 per week SYD-LAX nonstop.
If there is still doubt, these are the official stats from LAX itself:
Total percentages LAX Jan-Dec 2001 per airline:
A/L .......Rev Ops ...Ttl Mkt Share
[Rev Ops = Total Revenue Operations for 2001
Ttk Mkt Share = Total %age of Market Share of LAX traffic.]
Even though these are last years figures, 2002's already show a much wider gap between the two, all in the favour of QF, given NZ's gradual decline in South Pac runs. 12,000 extra pax is quite a huge difference. I will agree with you that earlier in the 90's with it's FRA flight, the very frequent island jumping milk runs and the PPT route (most of which are now gone) NZ did indeed command a greater presence than QF at LAX. However, it just simply isn't true anymore and hasn't been for a couple of years at least, if not longer.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2007 times:
Sorry for the controversy, it was unintended.
The discussion started with QF's and NZ's respective need for the A380....to clarify, I was really only talking about the LAX-AKL and LAX SYD runs which are candidates for A380 service. QF dominates in the LAX-Australia market and the A380 could be used already for the LAX-SYD flights, as there are now multiple 744 departures. NZ, which is not such a big player in the LAX-SYD market (now 3 flights per week)......and LAX-AKL does not see the traffic numbers that LAX-SYD does with and also QF competing on that route. NZ does have many flights in/out of LAX, but the south seas services to places like Tahiti, Fiji and the Cook Islands, mainly flown by 763 aircraft, do not warrant the A380. In the future, when traffic improves, frequency may increase on those routes.
NZ is one of my favorite airlines, and I hope they succeed. Will they order the A380? I dont think the timing is right and the only potential route I think is the AKL-LAX-LHR run.
AirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2538 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1979 times:
I admitt Defeat...LOL...
Yes it is true..cant beat facts from LAX airport can we. But from the loads i have been told lately..AirNZ far outweighs QF.
Oh well...sorry for that guys, And thanks AI for correcting me!!
Al From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1901 times:
It's all knowledge Mikey, not corrections. There are numerous resources to check on "facts" given to you by people if you're not sure, and the fact of the matter at the moment is all 3 carriers on the South Pac-LAX/SFO runs are doing ultra heavy loads. Ergo, QF with it's 4 744's a day should be, and are, (according to LAX figures) carrying a lot more than NZ at the moment. Guess the moral is, never believe what the press tell you, or what "friends" tell you is "God's own truth" !! The roads of life are littered with people let down by "real facts given to them by someone they trust".
Dalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1875 times:
it seems to be more than likely that soon after the New Zealand election on July 27 that the QF bid for 25% of NZ will be decided. If, as a lot of so-called analysts are right, QF will become a 25% shareholder in NZ. I assume that means NZ-UA deals are dead and that NZ's long-haul strategy could change dramatically.
Should be a very interesting coupleof months.