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Daytona Beach (DAB) Airline Service Through The Ye  
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

My wife and I just got back from our vacation to central Florida, and we spent a night in Daytona Beach, and we had a chance to visit my alma mater, Embry-Riddle, and to also visit the airport (DAB). (And eat dinner at Aunt Catfish's!).

To say I was disappointed in the current airline service at DAB would be an understatement. While I was a Riddle student, we had airline service from Eastern Airlines (14 daily nonstops to MCO, ATL, JAX, JFK, and DCA), 4 daily nonstops to ATL from Delta, and Piedmont service to CLT and JAX. There was also commuter service from Dolphin/PBA. And, yes, those Convairs and Martins were sitting near the current ATC in those days.

For me, to see only Delta/ASA (4 mainline + 3 regional ATL flights), CO Commuter, and Vintage? service in that spacious terminal, compared to 20-25 daily flights in my days from the old terminal was a bit of a letdown.

I picked up a copy of DAB's latest newsletter from the info booth, and noticed that CO may be restarting it's EWR flight soon. Hopefully, that will come to pass.

To me, not enough airline marketing types recognize the untapped market at DAB, especially as an alternative to MCO. In my day, and I'm sure it's still true today, one of the main reasons passengers drove to MCO rather than use DAB was the availability of lower fares from MCO, while fares at DAB tended to be quite a bit higher.

And, while I don't have the most recent numbers in front of me, DAB attracted 807,449 passengers in 1996, down to 547,403 in 2000. I'm sure the numbers were closer to 1 million in the early 80's.

Obviously, I'm very familiar with the state of the airline industry post 9/11, but if anyone has any comments on the recent history of DAB, feel free to chime in.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1607 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

I think Daytona's big problem is it's proximity to Orlando (an hour's drive). I agree, though, that both Daytona Beach and Melboourne are deserving of more service. AirTran from each to Atlanta makes a lot of sense to me.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Actually Continental will restart DAB in the form of Continental Express with twice daily service to EWR on the ERJ-145. Another airline that flies to DAB is Comair on Saturdays to CVG (at least last spring it did). During the Spring Break period Champion Air operated a twice weekly DTW-DAB service, I second that DAB's proximty to MCO does affect the airport. Orlando is just an hour drive from Daytona Beach and Sanford which is currently growing is even closer (approximetly 30 minutes away). Daytona is not a big city and I think it can support service to cities like ATL, New York or other transfer points but thats basically it .
Daytona also needs a good mall, but that's a different story .
All this talk about Daytona makes me remember school starts in a month and a half.
Chepos



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Chepos:
I used to work at Belk-Lindsey (now Dillard's Men's) and B. Dalton in Volusia Mall, and at Wilson's (before it became Service Merchandise behind the mall). I guess the mall is going the way of the airport.

Any more comment on DAB, post them here.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8903 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Just to let you in on Vintage since you had a question next to their name:

Vintage is a small regional carrier in Florida. They operate a fleet of KingAir 100s (5), Piper Chieftains (2), and a lone Piper Navajo. Destinations are as follows:

Florida:
New Smyrna Beach
Daytona Beach
Melbourne
Orlando (they have their own terminal on the West Side of the field)
Key West
Marathon

Bahamas:
Freeport
Treasure Cay
Marsh Harbour

As for DAB, yes they do have some things working against them, such as MCO and SFB. However, there is still some room for service. One would think that US Airways could easily put 2-3 Dash 8s on a CLT run, and that UA would be able to make 1-2 daily CRJs to IAD work.

The one thing (or at least, since landing fees are pretty high there from what I've heard) that is keeping the airfares high at DAB is a lack of competition. DL has a monopoly on this city pretty much, besides a few CO flights to TPA and the Vintage hops. If UA, CO, and US came in, then airfares would drop and more passengers would stay at DAB instead of trekking to SFB and MCO.

Jeff


User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

the problem is not the market, but the airport mgr @ dab. all the riddle guys in business managment have done studies how virtually every airline can get high load factors out of DAB, but when you have the IDIOT they have running the opperation that is to DUMB to create good deals for the airlines they will not come... When i started @Embry Riddle in 97 we had DL, US, and LTU flying there AA and TW had recently pulled out...

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

The current airport manager at DAB has been in that position since the early 80's, and was the assistant manager before that (the change occurred while I was a student there). His predecessor was kicked out because of some alleged financial improprieties while manager. I did meet both of them while at Riddle, and in the course of my career in airport management.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineCmchardyfl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2002, 175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

I was speaking to a guy at the jet center about this very topic last time I was in Daytona. He said that a reason why many airlines dont fly into the airport is not just the fact it is close to Orlando, its also because the TCAS in the airliners keeps going off. If youve every been to DAB you will see how busy it is with General Aviation. I have a buddy at Emery Riddle and often fly up to see him. I love it when I get within 20 miles of the airport as it starts getting really busy, and usually end up getting vectored onto 7L or R. I find DAB to be the Heathrow of DAB! I think its great!

Brittania pulled out of SFB and started flying to MCO for a while, although this has since restarted. The reason also being that the TCAS on the 767s kept going crazy with all the Comair students buzzing around all over.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6618 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

DAB has a few problems.

1) Landing fees and gate fees are very high which discourages airlines especially those with already high cost structures (USAirways).

2) Traffic into DAB is relatively low-yield as DAB is more of a leisure destination than anything else. On top of that, it's a pretty low-yield type of leisure travelers...spring breakers. People who have lots of money to spend and want to go on a more upscale vacation won't choose DAB.

3) As already mentioned, DAB's proximity to MCO is the biggest culprit. MCO has more nonstop flights to more destinations and better fares.

As for getting new carrier, looks like CO will come back with RJ's. If USAirways can get its cost structure down and begin codesharing with UA, then you might get US back with RJ's too. I don't think UAL will come from IAD. UAL only flies RJ's to JAX and its a far larger market than DAB. Plus, UAL is really looking to markets that have better yields.


User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

First to Tom in NO: When did you graduate? My husband went there and our son is graduating next month.

Next to Cmchardyfl: It may have been a typo, but the name of the school is EmBry-Riddle, not Emery as you wrote.


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Skyhawk:

I graduated in December of 1982, B.S. in Aviation Administration.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

Tom in NO-my husband graduated in 1974 with a BS in Aviation Management, our son will have a BS in Aeronautical Science with ratings including CFI, CFII, multi instructor(I don't know how to abbreviate that rating, sorry).

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Skyhawk:

Congrats on your son graduating! Wish him good luck on his job search!

Every time we go back to Riddle, I am amazed at the changes/additions that have taken place. So much has been added since 1982. We had the old dorms (they were called Dorms 1 and 2, I was in Dorm 1-now the Doolittle dorm), the swimming pool area, the UC (mailboxes were outside), the library was in the management/computer quad of rooms (Lindbergh Complex), the maintenance building, and the flight line buildings. All the rest has been added since I went to school.

That whole area has grown up the past 20 years. The only hotel in the area was the Holiday Inn (now the Ramada by the mall), and no restaurants. The smallish building that now serves as the Federal Inspection Service and the flight kitchen was the old terminal (which had a lot more passengers now than the newer, more spacious terminal DAB now has does).

Anyway, great memories from Riddle, and it would be nice to see DAB recoup some of the losses of the past 20-odd years.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Congratulations Skyhawk on the graduation of your son.
He is so lucky- I still have a lifetime to go- LOL
Chepos



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