David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7717 posts, RR: 13 Posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
Seems that a Highland Airways (=small Scottish? air-taxi firm) aircraft was warned to get off it's normal flight path between Stornaway and Benbecula by a warship on exercise. Though this story says the commander of the warship is to be reported by the airline and air traffic controllers to the Civil Aviation Authority as no notification of a restricted zone had been requested prior to the exercise.
If I remember correctly, they've only got the one J31 (= G-BTXG).
F4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2227 times:
It is a very prudent and normal course of action for a military vessel to warn civiian a/c if they are approaching an exercise zone. Bear in mind that modern missiles have greatly expanded acquisition envelopes so planners have to take into account the passing of civilian a/c. One needs only to look at the tragedy in the Ukraine to see what can go very wrong if caution is not
Cwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2105 times:
Some of the responses have to make me laugh...I just need a video clip of kilted Scotsman running towards the shore shouting FREEDOM!!!!!
Anyway, this is a NATO exercise, involving the US, UK and Sweden. As far as I know, having large numbers of friends and family in the armed services, directing civilian aircraft away is a normal course of action. This is certainly nothing to get your panties in a bunch over. The difference between this and the UK sending HMS Whatever into New York and telling it to start directing traffic around JFK should be perfectly clear.
Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
AeroGlobeAir7 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1990 times:
I really think a guy on a little boat is an understatement. What kind of ship was it? I doubt if it was a supply ship or something like that if it was ordering an airliner out of the airspace around it. Remember, it's a military excersize....and the government of the UK obviously gave the ship permission to do so....and I really doubt if the ending would've been happy if the plane had kept flying through. You gotta remember, airliners don't have the right to fly wherever they want like fighters do (with government permission).
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1973 times:
The point is that the Civial Aviation Authority who has sovereignty of UK airspace was not informed by NATO of anything planned in that area.
Just because the UK military (who were participants) failed to warn UK Air Traffic Control of the excercise doesn't mean that ships participating in the excercise (whether it was a UK ship, US ship, or Swedish ship) should not warn off approaching aircraft. Seriously, what's the big deal, besides a communication problem between NATO and UK ATC?
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1124 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1916 times:
What strikes me here, is how everyone complains when an aircraft is shot down by the military on accident and they complain about "Why didnt they tell the plane to divert around the excercise area, or inform the pilot?" Then when this happens, and nobody is shot down or killed, everyone says, "Why did they make that airliner divert around the excersise area, and how dare they tell the pilot to do that!!"
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
"Rolls eyes". This is really, really, sad! Why can't we just accept facts and be done with it. You just can't do this sort of thing, not mention that you need a 'no fly zone' and then give orders to an aircraft to change course, which could have led it into danger???.