David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7168 posts, RR: 14 Posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1540 times:
Seems that a Highland Airways (=small Scottish? air-taxi firm) aircraft was warned to get off it's normal flight path between Stornaway and Benbecula by a warship on exercise. Though this story says the commander of the warship is to be reported by the airline and air traffic controllers to the Civil Aviation Authority as no notification of a restricted zone had been requested prior to the exercise.
If I remember correctly, they've only got the one J31 (= G-BTXG).
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29367 posts, RR: 61 Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1311 times:
This aircraft wasn't operating in a war-zone.
Also, chances are this airline crew actually knew what a transponder was and how to use it correctly.
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DeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1264 times:
I would have told the Navy guy to pi** out of our waters.
Yeah, well how would you react if next time the UK needed NATO assistance, the US told them to piss off?
Remember, the vessel was on a NATO exercise. So lighten up.
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F4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1232 times:
To all:
It is a very prudent and normal course of action for a military vessel to warn civiian a/c if they are approaching an exercise zone. Bear in mind that modern missiles have greatly expanded acquisition envelopes so planners have to take into account the passing of civilian a/c. One needs only to look at the tragedy in the Ukraine to see what can go very wrong if caution is not
exercised.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7168 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1219 times:
It might also be prudent for any warship to flag up it's intended exercise area so that all civilian traffic can keep well clear of it before the exercise commences.
Cwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1110 times:
Some of the responses have to make me laugh...I just need a video clip of kilted Scotsman running towards the shore shouting FREEDOM!!!!!
Anyway, this is a NATO exercise, involving the US, UK and Sweden. As far as I know, having large numbers of friends and family in the armed services, directing civilian aircraft away is a normal course of action. This is certainly nothing to get your panties in a bunch over. The difference between this and the UK sending HMS Whatever into New York and telling it to start directing traffic around JFK should be perfectly clear.
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AeroGlobeAir7 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 586 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 995 times:
I really think a guy on a little boat is an understatement. What kind of ship was it? I doubt if it was a supply ship or something like that if it was ordering an airliner out of the airspace around it. Remember, it's a military excersize....and the government of the UK obviously gave the ship permission to do so....and I really doubt if the ending would've been happy if the plane had kept flying through. You gotta remember, airliners don't have the right to fly wherever they want like fighters do (with government permission).
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3316 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 978 times:
The point is that the Civial Aviation Authority who has sovereignty of UK airspace was not informed by NATO of anything planned in that area.
Just because the UK military (who were participants) failed to warn UK Air Traffic Control of the excercise doesn't mean that ships participating in the excercise (whether it was a UK ship, US ship, or Swedish ship) should not warn off approaching aircraft. Seriously, what's the big deal, besides a communication problem between NATO and UK ATC?
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3316 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 938 times:
Sorry some people have such an inferiority complex.
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 921 times:
What strikes me here, is how everyone complains when an aircraft is shot down by the military on accident and they complain about "Why didnt they tell the plane to divert around the excercise area, or inform the pilot?" Then when this happens, and nobody is shot down or killed, everyone says, "Why did they make that airliner divert around the excersise area, and how dare they tell the pilot to do that!!"
DeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 24 Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 923 times:
G-KIRAN wrote: DeltaSFO:How would you like it if we stuck HMS Ark Royal near JFK and told it to start directing traffic?
Granite wrote: Ahem, that's a bit different but as G-KIRAN said how would it be if the boot was on the other foot.
YOU need to lighten up pal.
A small J31 being told to move but some dumb a** on a little boat.......hmmmmmm.
If it was a NATO exercise going on off US waters and HMS Ark Royal directed commercial traffic out of the exercise area, I would be fine with that.
And how odd that nary a mention has been made of the live fire incident involving a Royal Navy frigate. The article mentioned that as well. Guess you guys were too busy slamming the U.S. to notice.
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RedAirForce From Ukraine, joined Aug 1999, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 917 times:
I can't wait until the next time these European nations need us so we can leave them to rot.
To take this nothing of a story and make it another "look at those arrogant Americans!" thread is so typical of how this board has evolved.
So Granite, Maybe if the US was around in the early 1700's we could have prevented you being taken over by the English. Sorry we werent there and now you have to take orders from London.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12426 posts, RR: 40 Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 897 times:
"Rolls eyes". This is really, really, sad! Why can't we just accept facts and be done with it. You just can't do this sort of thing, not mention that you need a 'no fly zone' and then give orders to an aircraft to change course, which could have led it into danger???.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 881 times:
I can't wait until the next time these European nations need us so we can leave them to rot.
Idiot. Have you EVER thought that it's POSSIBLE that the American ship actually was WRONG?!
25 LOT767-300ER: "RedAirForce: Europe is on the way up and as far as I can tell the USA is on the decline. Lets see who needs who in 20 years." 20 years? I will give t
26 Arsenal@LHR: Another euro v US war!! Amusing or what?!!!!! *sigh* Arsenal@LHR
27 777236ER: 20 years? I will give the EU 15 years before it goes KAPLUNK Any reason?
28 F4N: To all: Some of you guys seem to miss the point; a warship about to engage in livefire missile excercises warns a civilian a/c to avoid the area, chan
29 FDXmech: G-KIRAN wrote: DeltaSFO:How would you like it if we stuck HMS Ark Royal near JFK and told it to start directing traffic? Just to echo DeltaSFO, I woul
30 LOT767-300ER: "20 years? I will give the EU 15 years before it goes KAPLUNK Any reason?" 777 just a feeling. i said i am giving, i never said it will happen......Im
31 737heavy: US Arrogance rules. Why can't it do what it wants? Regards
32 777236ER: 777 just a feeling. i said i am giving, i never said it will happen......Im just imagining what will happen when one of the nations gets too powerfull
33 Arsenal@LHR: We all realise it's better for us individually if we all work together. Not with the Euro it isn't Arsenal@LHR
34 Us330: Who cares whose ship it was. The point is that if any other ship happened to be in the same position, the ship would have done the same thing as the U
35 Phxinterrupted: Oh yeah, France works so well with other countries. lol
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