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Boeing's Project Yellowstone  
User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

I have recently heard talk about a Project Yellowstone that is being developed by Boeing concurrently to their Sonic Cruiser. What is it? Is it a new plane? According to this week's Flight International, British Airways is apparently expressing more enthusiasm for this project than for the Sonic Cruiser, but does anybody here actually know anything about it? Very curious!

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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

The Sonic Cruiser and Project Yellowstone are one in the same. Yellowstone was the early name for the project.

User currently offlineBells From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

No they aren't the same. Yellowstone is a "conventional" 250-seater incorporating new technology to reduce operating costs, not increase speed.

User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Is it that blended wing plane?

User currently offlineBells From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

No, Yellowstone a "conventional" plane, like a 767. It's really being used as a "benchmark" against the Sonic Cruiser.

In other words, Boeing is asking: "How economical could we make a conventional airliner using the same technology and materials as the Sonic Cruiser?"

Some of the airlines, like BA, have told Boeing they would rather have "Yellowstone" than the Sonic.

The Blended Wing Body (BWB) is something entirely different, being worked on by Boeing's Phantom Works. This concept was inherited from McDonnell Douglas.


User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Thanks Bells for clearing that up!

-174thfwff


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2248 times:


When the SC was first talked about, it was referred to as "Yellowstone", then "Sonic Cruiser". Now, "Yellowstone" refers to a conventional-speed plane.



User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

In which case, does anybody have details of the Yellowstone plane?

User currently offlineJayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

I've been to Yellowstone Park in Wyoming....it was beautiful!

Does that help.......:D

JH


User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Airlines are forcing Boeing from Sonic Cruiser to Yellowstone.

762/753 appear to be no killers. Boeing better reacts or Airbus will come in with a state-of the art efficient medium A330/310/767 replacement.

And then Boeing is in deep problems...

A320 series, A330-200, 340-5/600 and A380 are excellent aircraft, however a short/medium 200-250 seater is missing.


User currently offlineBusinessflyer From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Although I saw somewhere that Airbus is also looking to develop a medium range 250 seater plane, thereby providing the full range of plans to airlines.

But does anybody know what the specifications of Yellowstone actually are?


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

The Yellowstone name was mentioned in the first announcement of the Sonic Cruiser. At the time, Yellowstone was neither the Sonic Cruiser nor its conventional counterpart. The relevant paragraph is:

The sonic cruiser also is called the "faster airplane" and does not have an official name yet. It was brought forth by Boeing's new airplane product development group under the "20XX" project, which has been collecting a toolbox of configuration, manufacturing, systems and other technologies during the last five years to be ready for a new airplane when the market is right. Some press reports referred to the sonic cruiser as "Yellowstone," but Bair said this is "a piece of technology" in 20XX and not the new design.

AW&ST's web site has the article at http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/autonomy_samples/autonomysuggest/autosuggest.jsp?docid=87961&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviationnow.com%2Fcontent%2Fpublication%2Fawst%2F20010402%2Favi_news.htm



User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

The magazine I read today (forgot the name, British though) had a very honost in depth feature about both the A-380 and the Sonic Cruiser.

The magazine article who's author seemed to have a very reliable contact within Boeing mentioned the aircraft we call Sonic Cruiser may be called the 808, the 808 would represent a new generation of technology and aircraft similar to the 707. Also 808 is a lucky number amongst many Asian cultures.

This would also leave a 787 and 797 series to continue along the lines of more conventional aircraft. They mentioned a Super economical aircraft to replace both the 737 and 757 lines, this is probably what people are calling the Yellow Stone project. This is about 10 years from entering service.

Another interesting item mentioned in the article I read today is that many analyst and engineers believe the Sonic Cruiser is actually not a new totally new design, they feel many of the features of the SC were designed for a US Military Stealth aircraft that may or may not exist in some form.



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

It is about time that boeing try to amalgamate the narrow bodies and wide bodies into a contiuous family like Airbus.


Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

BWIA 772:

I think it's inevitable that Boeing will have a common cockpit for it's entire family of aircraft. Airbus had the advantage of developing it's narrow body and wide body (minus the A300/310) aircraft within ten years of each other. Boeing on the other hand did not have this luxury.


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