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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

Hi Everyone.

I am planning on starting an airline in about 15-20 years. I was wanting to know what aircraft you think I should operate. Not what you like, but what would save money. I would really like to operate one type so that maintenance would be focused on one aircraft. Of course this will be a low-fare airline. The Airline is still in the Stage 1 Planning Phase. But can someone tell me what aircraft I should use. The 717 is already on my list. But I may get a second type for short haul routes... No Regional Jets Please. My Friend will be the COO with his broad range of Operational Knowledge. Can anyone help me out.  Smile

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User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

umm, we don't really know what will be available in 15-20 years.

User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

May I ask how much money you have? lol.

I think I would just stick with the 717 for now, but I highly doubt those will be the premier shorthaul aircraft in 20 years.


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

I'd start with the new A-380XX or possibly the Boeing Sonic Cruiser !!!!

Fly between DAL and HOU every 30 minutes.

It works for Southwest.......



User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

A380....LOL!!!!!  Big grin Allow me to reiterate.. This will be a LOW-FARE Airline...  Big thumbs up We could not possibly afford an A380. I think we will stick with the 717. DC9s will be totally gone by then (We might pick up some Ex-NWA DC9s)

User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

My point was this........why in the heck are we even talking about this subject when you won't even, if ever, begin service 15 to 20 years down
the road. Heck, we all might not even be here by then.

Bush could invade Iraq and start a nuclear war and wipe the whole
planet out..........

I just don't think this is a valuable and worthy discussion at this time.

For all we know, they (Airbus/Boeing) might be bankrupt, or they
could develop new planes that use water for fuel by separating
the hydrogen atoms to power the plane.......15 to 20 years is
too far off to plan an airline........

Jay


User currently offlineMatthc49 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

Don't forget the wonderful 737-200, 300's... Hey, when y'all need a business jet for the exec's, call me up... I recommend the Falcon 50... Gulfstream V has a nice price tag of 33.5 million, hehe...

Matt Chamberlain
5R2


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

I second what B747-437B said.

This is a pointless thread. Nobody knows what the state of the airline industry will even be tomorrow, much less 15-20 years down the road (hell, Sept 10th I was behind security at JAX looking out the windows at AF1... who knew what would happen to the airline industry 16 hours later?).

What a silly thread...


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

I'm pretty sure this belongs in the hobby section.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

I second what Travatl said about B747-437B, and Seiple --

Matt, If, and I mean IF I ever get business jets for us (which we will probably fly our own airline to places), I will call you up.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

So in 15-20 years you want to use 717s -- which will be 10-25 years old and out of production, and furthermore you want to use DC-9s?!

Have you even thought about financing?!


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Have you even thought about financing?!

I think another of his friends will handle that aspect. That friend plans to be rich by then, so that takes care of that.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

If you cannot help me out, Please do not post anything in here. I am looking for help. Not Criticism  Angry

User currently offlineCointyro From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Maybe you should worry about making the cash first, before deciding how to spend it. Also, figure out how you will single-handedly beat all other airlines in the future for passenger revenue dollars. If you succeed here, you deserve to be making decisions on what planes to buy : )

Otherwise, dream on. Shouldn't you be doing your homework?


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Ummmmm... I by no means know anything about aviation, buisness, aviation buisness or anything like that... but;

Shouldn't you not be thinking about this right now? 20 years is a LONG time, especially in aviation. 20 years ago Airbus only had the A300 and A310, 20 years ago there were only 2-3 versions of the 737, 20 years ago the largest passenger aircraft beside the 747 was the DC10 and L1011.

You shouldn't be planning which aircraft you are going to operate, because the whole face of aviation could easily change... You just can't plan so far ahead for that sort of thing, almost nothing can be planned so far in advance. Cointyro is correct, you should just concentrate on funding for the next 15 years...


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

If you cannot help me out, Please do not post anything in here. I am looking for help. Not Criticism

LOL!! You want to start and run an airline without

  1. Critism

  2. Finance




User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

I do not need Criticism YET!!!... Criticise me when I first start flying like all of you AirTran Bashers like to do. Yeah, You know what I am talking about. Anyway, First I need HELP, Then I can use the criticism.. Don't give me criticism before the help. Look at Neeleman, He RAISED the Cash to start an airline.

User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

If the way you do business on eBay (harrassment and shill bidding) speaks anything about your method of operation, then your airline is going to have trouble.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

I do not need Criticism YET!!!... Criticise me when I first start flying

Since that ain't likely to ever happen, I'd prefer to criticize you now. Thanks.  Smile


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Look at Neeleman, He RAISED the Cash to start an airline.

And...? First you need a business plan which you don't have. You need critism BEFORE you start your airline and lose lots of money.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

Oh boy....this has got to be the most humorous post in my 2 years of coming to these forums.  Laugh out loud  Nuts




"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Let's see here....

Here's some help:
1.) Clean up your act.
2.) Finish high school.
3.) Go to college. Graduate.
4.) Make a name for yourself in the business world.
5.) Come up with a sound business plan that is apropo to the society and economy of that time.
6.) Secure funding.
7.) Probably go bankrupt or get bought out.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

I'll buy those first 6 Seiple. But that 7th can go to your name Big grin

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

incompetent minds

?!

How is your any more competent? You're talking about starting an airline in 15-20 (!) years with no financing or a business plan.


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

I agree with BR715 and Seiple !!

You need to grow up first !!
You are only a kid.......

Then, you need to have "Balls of Steel" to make it
in the airline industry. Obviously, since you can't
handle all the criticism you are already facing here
for this RIDICULOUS post/subject, I don't think you'll
be able to develop those balls !!

Get over it, stupid subject..........

Maybe you can use the Concorde since BA and AF will probably
have removed them from their fleet by then. I bet you could
buy them very cheap out in Mojave !!

Jay


25 Post contains images Matthc49 : Mojave... Where my poor AA 727 sits that I could have bought for only $600,000... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! Get Airline Tycoon and see how you can run one,
26 Seiple : Please cease sending me harrassing e-mails on this subject.
27 Post contains images DLMCO : Right on, B747-437B and Seiple
28 BR715-A1-30 : Matt, This is Colin's Idea, I just posted it for him to see what people thought. Obviously there are alot of people in here who are mindless. Anyway,
29 LOT767-300ER : BR715: Are you mentally incapable of reasoning the right way? Are you deaf or blind or both? I mean something is wrong. Perhaps you go to a school whe
30 Matthc49 : Hehe, ok. Matt Chamberlain 5R2
31 BA : I'm going to start an airline that will serve all the planets in our solar system. Since Mars will be the most popular, I'll have half-hourly service
32 Post contains images B747-437B : I'm going to start an airline that will serve all the planets in our solar system. What about service to DEN? Lots of cargo there! (Sorry, couldn't re
33 Post contains links and images BA : That's a great idea B747-437B!!!! I could use the new WorldPort facility being built in DEN that would nearly double Denver's cargo capacity! http://w
34 Post contains images Blink182 : Get some 727s,707s and DC-10s blink
35 Post contains images DLMCO : Anyone have any ideas on what aircraft I should get? BA, the 717, of course...
36 Post contains images SSTjumbo : BR715, good luck avoiding flaming here on the forums. Every opportunity people will get they will find a flaw in you and rip you to shreads. I'd sugge
37 BA : DLMCO, That's a great idea. Does have the range to fly to Mars and the other planets in our solar systems? If not, I'll find a way to ask Boeing to at
38 BR715-A1-30 : SSTJumbo, Thanks. I admit there are some civilized people (Obviously the Civilized people I know of are on my RUsers list)(I still have a few more to
39 Post contains images DLMCO : BA, Orbital Airways will work, as long as it has a cool livery. After all, that IS what sells tickets, ISN'T IT?
40 Post contains images Seiple : I'm amazed at the awkwardness and senselessness of your attempts at insults. You asked for feedback and received it. You asked what you should do and
41 Post contains images AY-MD11 : "DC9s will be totally gone by then (We might pick up some Ex-NWA DC9s)" Don't be so sure that Northwest will be selling theyr DC9s in 15-20years AY-MD
42 Seiple : Nah, AY-MD11, the Northwest DC-9's will be ready to go to second tier airlines in about 2015 according to the airline.
43 EGGD : lol, that would make some of them, what, 50 years old?
44 Theiler : The most obvious question: Why? Are you doing it to make money? In the event that your airline gets lucky and has a profitable quarter (unlike most at
45 Scottb : Look, the reason people are being critical of you, BR715, is that you're basically asking an unrealistic set of questions. It's great that you'd like
46 Post contains images BA : ScottB, VERY VERY well said. I applaud you. Regards
47 Boiler Special : BR715, I love how you cry and call people "kiddies" --- yet you've got Simpsons carriers in your profile mooning us. Who's the "kiddie" and who are yo
48 SixStarAnsett : Leave BR715 alone, you should be really ashamed of your behaviour. BR715, don't pay any attention to them, they're fools. People like the the critics
49 BA : SixStarAnsett, There is a difference between criticizing and being realistic. What BR715 has asked us was an absurd question. First of all, how on Ear
50 Ren41 : If you sell lemonade at the end of your driveway everyday for the next 20 years I'm sure you'll have enough money to hire hundreds of people and buy a
51 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : SixStarAnsett... Thanks for defending me. I like the name you gave them...closet-aviation enthusiasts . To everyone else. It is good for me to actuall
52 LOT767-300ER : "That way I can make minimal changes as the industry turns. Herb Kelleher did not have a business plan when he started SWA (Yes I know it was the 70s
53 777gk : BR- Do you have any clue what a business plan is? Because based on your previous posts, I would be surprised if you were sure which "capitol" or "capi
54 B747-437B : What Gene said. *applause*
55 777gk : By the way B747-437B is one of the most intelligent people I have ever met (albeit virtually) and I'm sure Seiple is no slouch, though I have no perso
56 Matthc49 : BA, I really think you have no idea what you're talking about, many airline CEO's started when they were young... so just back off. BR715 can plan as
57 BA : Matthc49, Every one of those airline CEO's of the past started out with a business plan. BR715 has no business plan whatsoever. He simply made this po
58 Jhooper : First you have to decide what your goals are, both immediate and long-term, when working on any business venture. It's been said that the best way to
59 Matthc49 : All he did was ask a simple question, which would only need simple answers, if you're going to flame it, don't respond... If seen BR715's friend Colin
60 Post contains images Jgore : I think at the time, he'll probabbly operate the Embraer EMB-170 and the A318. jgore
61 Scottb : First of all, Herb Kelleher didn't found Southwest; it was actually Rollin King's idea. Herb was a lawyer at the time -- his response to King's idea o
62 Post contains images SixStarAnsett : No worries BR715, it is extremely important for people to have plans and aspirations. Might seem tacky, but I'm going to use Reg Ansett as an example.
63 BR715-A1-30 : Wow... Thanks Matt.. I appreciate that.
64 Miller22 : Too bad you don't want RJ's...in 15 years they'll be dirt cheap and the CRJ's will still be in good shape. They're the way of the future...point to po
65 Go Canada! : 1) be ruthless 2) Have a brand awareness, dont enter a market if there is no market for your product. 3) do a business and marketing degree 4) dont ev
66 B747-437B : dont ever listen to anyone called neil robertson otherwise known as Ceilidh! Kinda counter productive, because Neil is one of the few people I know wh
67 Post contains images Blink182 : BA- I heard the sun was a pretty hot market right now . blink
68 Go Canada! : no he doesnt have the know how. the experience he has is trying to fool people, misleading them and generally looking silly by having multiplie user n
69 B747-437B : no he doesnt have the know how Your experience with Neil has been gained entirely through an interaction over the internet. I have met the man multipl
70 Caravelle : Here we go again. Ceilidh, what have you done to this forum? Threadstarter BR715-A1-30, I believe a hot air balloon would suit your purposes. It has c
71 Go Canada! : caravelle-i think i know of someone who could provide the hot air! B747-437B- it isnt funny, thats the point, it seems like you could be an incarnatio
72 Leo : BR715: First of all congratulations for starting one of the most successful threads on this forum for some time. It is educational for many I believe.
73 Go Canada! : put every hour of every day into your airline once you feel your at a stage in life when you can start going for it. Whatever you do, be realisitic, d
74 B747-437B : it seems like you could be an incarnation of him. You have got to be kidding me! I think enough people on airliners.net have met me personally to know
75 Leo : BR715: Just an after thought. The design teams at the aircraft manufacturers are currently thinking about the needs of the airliner market in 20 years
76 JayDavis : Who is Neil Robertson? I've just got to keep this thread going............. Jay
77 ChautauquaFA : Hey BR715, I think you should choose the 717 it's a great a/c. Being a former AirTran employee I was around the 717 a lot and fell in love with that b
78 Post contains images SAS23 : As B747-437 says, I met him (and DeltaSFO, who was an outspoken critic of mine) at ATL, and showed them documentary evidence which proved everything I
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