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MCI - Why Can't It Be A Major Hub?  
User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

3 great terminals that are easy to move around - 3 runways and a lot of room. What is stopping a huge airline to move in to KMCI?



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User currently offlineJmacias34 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

3 great terminals that are easy to move around
Not quite... There are security checkpoints at every gate. So even if you were connecting through MCI you need to be rescreened. That pretty much defeats the purpose of this airport being a hub, but hey who are we to stop Vanguard.



User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

Actually- I think Vanguard has one large gate house. However, there are no restrooms in it, so then you have to leave security to go to the john!

The other reason that no major will move to MCI is that all the majors have more than enough hubs as it is. Heck, several have even been shut down in the past years. (AA at BNA, DL at LAX, etc.) Usair tried to open a hub at MCI in the early 1990's. When my parents lived in KC while I was college, I would fly them from LAX. The flights were never full. In addiiton, they were competing directly with SWA which continued to add service at MCI during that period. They just could not compete on a cost basis. They had to set fares to compete with SWA, but which could not make them any money. At that point, SWA did not have a non-stop to LAX, but instead had a 1-stop. However, their fares were so low that USAir had to match them. I would regularly pay $200 to fly from LAX-MCI-LAX on USair! They couldn't make money on that.


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Eastern started a hub at Kansas City shortly before their demise.... it helped contribute to their bankruptcy.

I think the Kansas City airport is awful. I wouldn't imagine connecting there due to the gate situation. The gates are small and you must clear security individually at each. Some airlines like Vanguard and Southwest have corralled their gates so several are together, but for all restrooms and concessions (what very few concessions there are...) you must leave the secure area and be rescreened upon your return which these days is quite a hassle.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

No one factor by itself has prevented a major Cartel-network airline hub from succeeding at MCI. But several together more or less undermine the possibility. The Kansas City metro area isn't quite big enough, and isn't near quite enough people, to make a hub work. St. Louis and Denver both have much larger O & D bases than KC does. Also, there seems to be enough Cartel-network hub capacity at these bigger markets, that another hub at the smaller KC market isn't feasible. And as noted, KC's awful terminal design pretty much makes the airport impractical as a major hub.

Before you defenders of "drive to the gate" terminals get too steamed and say "It works at DFW!", remember that DFW's 'drive to the gate' terminal has a different design. Each of DFW's semicircle terminals is a fully secured concourse area with concessions and restrooms. Landside ticketing & baggage facilities at each semicircle are concentrated in three rectangular landside buildings, from which one passes through security. Functionally speaking, therefore, DFW is almost a traditional terminal disgused as a drive-to-the-gate.

Jim



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Hey Guys,

Are you sure about into Kansas City had a no curbside check-in or kiosks at the airport. And that was only ground floor and there is had a no jetbridge at the MCI airport. Is that was possibly sure that about something as for the Terminal and concourses too. That my mom were did went to MCI flight last of May 25-27. So whatever if they are made constructions of the new second floor levels and etc. Do you even to know about that I never been went there as for before. This is need expansion as for terminal and the roadway as for new way to do. Any know about who did you were went to MCI flight. Thanks!!!

Regards,

Scott W


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

I am not certain if the terminal design is the problem, or MCI just has not been lucky to get the right airline interested in setting up a hub.....from a geograhic point of view, MCI's location is ideal; but MCI is sandwiched inbetween ORD and STL to the east, DFW to the south and DIA to the west, all very major mega hubs. Its certainly not that airlines have not tried, as mentioned above, Eastern tried very hard to make MCI work, and lost a fortune in the process, US tried a mini-hub (focus city) without much success, and smaller airlines like Braniff 2 also had high hopes for MCI.

The problem is that Kansas City deserves much better airline service than it is getting, being a non-hub city, it lacks nonstop services to many important destinations. Hopefully with regional jets, service will improve. AA announcing nonstop service from MCI to LGA is a good sign - maybe some new point to point service out of MCI will introduced. The residents of Kansas City must be tired of having to fly via ATL, STL, DFW or ORD to just about anywhere.


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

Are you sure about into Kansas City had a no curbside check-in or kiosks at the airport. And that was only ground floor and there is had a no jetbridge at the MCI airport. Is that was possibly sure that about something as for the Terminal and concourses too. That my mom were did went to MCI flight last of May 25-27. So whatever if they are made constructions of the new second floor levels and etc. Do you even to know about that I never been went there as for before. This is need expansion as for terminal and the roadway as for new way to do. Any know about who did you were went to MCI flight. Thanks!!!

Actually, Kansas City has e-kiosks and curbside check-in for several airlines, namely American Airlines. Kansas City does have jetbridges and they are used by everybody but commuters. The terminal area accessible by passengers is all second floor... I believe the ground floor is only for airline and ramp offices/dispatch. I hope that explains some of your misconceptions. Other than that, I don't really understand your post.


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Most of us who live in KC don't WANT it to be a hub. We currently enjoy some to the cheapest airfares in the country, and with WN being the major operator, we've got several non-stops to more than just megahub cities.

User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Dutchjet,

The problem is that Kansas City deserves much better airline service than it is getting, being a non-hub city, it lacks nonstop services to many important destinations. Hopefully with regional jets, service will improve. AA announcing nonstop service from MCI to LGA is a good sign - maybe some new point to point service out of MCI will introduced. The residents of Kansas City must be tired of having to fly via ATL, STL, DFW or ORD to just about anywhere.

Actually, Kansas City is served very well by a number of airlines. Residents of Kansas City do not have to go way of ATL/STL/DFW/ORD to get to a lot of places. However, many may choose to do so for frequent flyer purposes, fare differences, and possible convenience issues.

According to my June OAG (can't find the July right now), Kansas City has non-stop service to (City and Airline): (AA* is American Eagle, CO* is Continental Express, US* is US Airways Express, DL* is Delta Connection)
Albuquerque, New Mexico (WN)
Atlanta, Georgia (NJ/YX/DL)
Austin, Texas (NJ)
Baltimore, Maryland (WN)
Boston, Massachusetts (YX)
Charlotte, North Carolina (US)
Chicago, Illinois (Midway: WN/NJ, O'Hare: UA/AA)
Cincinnati, Ohio (DL/DL*)
Cleveland, Ohio (CO*)
Colorado Springs, Colorado (NJ)
Dallas, Texas (NJ/AA)
Denver, Colorado (F9/NJ/UA)
Des Moines, Iowa (YX/US*)
Detroit, Michigan (NW)
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida (NJ)
Garden City, Kansas (US*)
Great Bend, Kansas (US*)
Hays, Kansas (US*)
Houston, Texas (Hobby: WN, IAH: CO/CO*)
Indianapolis, Indiana: (SM/WN)
Las Vegas, Nevada: (NJ/WN)
Little Rock, Arkansas (US*)
Los Angeles, California (NJ/WN)
Manhattan, Kansas (US*)
Memphis, Tennessee (NW)
Milwaukee, Wisconsin (YX)
Minneapolis, Minnesota (NW)
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina (NJ)
Nashville, Tennessee (WN)
New Orleans, Louisiana (YX/NJ)
Newark, New Jersey (CO)
New York City, New York (LGA: NJ/YX)
Oakland, California (WN)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (WN)
Omaha, Nebraska (YX/US*)
Orlando, Florida (WN/NJ)
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (US)
Phoenix, Arizonia (HP/WN)
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (NJ/US)
Portland, Oregon (WN)
Providence, Rhode Island (WN)
Raleigh, North Carolina (WN)
Sacramento, California (WN)
St. Louis, Missouri (WN/AA)
Salina, Kansas (US*)
Salt Lake City, Utah (WN/DL/DL*)
San Antonio, Texas (YX)
San Diego, California (WN)
San Francisco, California (NJ)
San Jose, California (WN)
Seattle, Washington (WN)
Springfield, Missouri (US*)
Tampa, Florida (WN)
Toronto, Canada (AC)
Tulsa, Oklahoma (WN)
Washington, DC (Dulles: YX, National: YX)
Wichita, Kansas (US*)

I certainly would NOT say that Kansas City is underserved. Most of these services are multiple times a day on most days of the week. Kansas City has a lot more service than many cities its size.


User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

I grew up in Kansas City, spent much time at midfield of runway 19L and have wondered many times why MCI never really got a great hub.

Let me point this out. From day 1 every airline that has hubbed at MCI has been having trouble before coming to town. Remember TWA back when they had 707s. As they began there slow downhill slide they left MCI and went to STL because of thier better terminal design and better connections with other airlines, or so I am told. Im not saying TWA failed because they left MCI, TWA had been behind the curve for many other reasons.

At the same time we had the beautiful flying colors of Branniff (the best paint jobs of all time). But they also fell into touble because of miss managment and over expansion, not just because they had a small operation at MCI.

Then there was Eastern. Once again here is someone having money troubles before they came to town.

Then there was the second (local) Braniff. This was MCIs biggest tenet, at one time taking up the entire terminal A and part of B. Could we say missmanagment and over expansion once again, yes I think so. Would anyone in thier right mind of bought Air Florida? It was beautifull to watch this second Braniff grow.

Then came USair with the highest costs in the industry thinking they were going to build a hub at MCI. OH COME ON, not much intelligents to that way of thinking. Fares at MCI have been low for along time. People driving in from ICT, OMA, DSM, SGF and even as far away as Hays Kansas. All because slowly SWA was adding more and more flights, keeping fares lower.

The terminal design could be changed and thier is room for another terminal north of C. There is plenty of room to grow and there is room for an additional north south runway out to the west. But with someone like SWA (now with what some 80 flights a day) and some of the lowest fares in the country is anyone going to try and do it on a big time scale, I dont think so. I wouldnt be surprised to see SWA at 150-175 flights a day though in the future.

Is Kansas City to small for an airline hub? 1.6 million people. If I understand right that is bigger than SLC, MEM, CVG, MKE and almost as big as PIT, CLE and CLT.

Im sure that all the competition around it hasnt helped (ORD, STL, DEN,MSP, DFW) but a well managed airline with the right cost structure would be a big plus. Who knows maybe when SWA gets to 150 flights a day, would that be a hub?


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Unfortunately, Kansas City lost a good bit of its market in the mid-90's. One one year, AirTran, Southwest, and Frontier all came to Omaha. OMA began grabbing from DSM, LNK, and the areas around that used to drive to Kansas City. Fares in Lincoln have gone down recently. It's only about $40-50 more to fly in/out of LNK than Omaha or Kansas City (OMA/LNK are practically co-terminals). AirTran just started to Wichita, taking another city from MCI's capture area. However, as the travel bank isn't quite to AirTran's liking, I'm sure they'll be screwing ICT like they did Toledo.

User currently offlineAeroGlobeAir7 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

I think alot of the opinions here are true. I as well, am a Kansas City area resident. I love KCI as it is, but I would LOVE to see an airline make a hub, or mini-hub work here. Who knows, maybe MCI will develop into an important city for American....I've read alot about Miami requesting that American start services to here in their expansion of the MIA hub....and I doubt that SJC and possibly even LAX is an impossibility. With the maintenance center here I think we may become worthy of some expansion in the eyes of the boys in Ft. Worth. Hey, Tulsa had LAX flights in competition with SWA, (they're being cancelled, but we're bigger than tulsa, and the market for MCI-LAX flights isn't saturated as far as I know), so why not here? I would love to see even more airlines coming once the terminal renovations start getting completed in 2004-2005. I'm kind of hoping we'll see JetBlue, Spirit, & maybe even Mexicana or AeroMexico in the future....or the ultimate dream come true....British Airways...maybe only summer flights, but that would be a blast to see a BA 763 or 772 out here during the summer even if only on a weekly basis. We've got the potential to become even more important than we already are to the airline industry....the key will be taking things slow. You look at past hub attempts here at MCI and everyone tried to rapidly build up their MCI route network from here. As the article on KCI in Airliners magazine last year, KCI has found a niche for itself with 18 airlines. It's done this through steady growth since the demise of Eastern, Braniff, and the TWA hub. Keep that steady growth up and things might start falling into place for MCI to becoming the who's who of US non-hub airports. Who knows, like I said, give us ten years and you may even see a Union Jack near the registration of one of our resident airlines.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineAA-STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

As for MCI becoming an important city...i dont think so due to DFW, & STL right there. I could see an SJC and a MIA flight in the futurebut after that I think thats about it. I could see AeroMexico or Mexicana w/ flights CAN or MEX maybe. JetBlue is a possiblity because of no non-stops to JFK or maybe they could pick up some of the slack to the Los Angeles area and serve LGB. Regarding Spirit, 2-3 years down the road. I would look for ArTran to start up MCI-ATL, BWI moving towards western expansion. I hate to burst youre bubble but BA isnt gonna happen, not enough business in MCI, or population base. MCI needs someone to make a move tho. We all know its not gonna be this airline


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User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

As for MCI becoming an important city...i dont think so due to DFW, & STL right there. I could see an SJC and a MIA flight in the futurebut after that I think thats about it. I could see AeroMexico or Mexicana w/ flights CAN or MEX maybe. JetBlue is a possiblity because of no non-stops to JFK or maybe they could pick up some of the slack to the Los Angeles area and serve LGB. Regarding Spirit, 2-3 years down the road.

Charters already do a fair number of services from MCI to both coasts of Mexico. Connections to Mexico are easy via STL, especially with hourly flights across state. As far as JFK, I don't think that this will come anytime soon. People with business in NYC already have flights offered non-stop to EWR and LGA. It doesn't appear that jetBlue could offer a lot except lower fares to the NYC area (and people will still use the airport/flights most convenient for them, helping boost traffic for CO and NJ; not just jetBlue). jetBlue doesn't really offer any reasonable connections if they started MCI that would greatly benefit Kansas City.... already there are significant low fare non-stops/direct flights to the state of Florida from MCI.


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Kansas City already IS an "important city". They have excellent service available to them, as has been pointed out. They have a very large cargo facility, they have an AA (formerly TWA maintenance base). I thank my lucky stars that no airline "hubs" out of here...I can fly nonstop to cities all accross the country. I can change planes once to the rest of the cities I can't get to. And my airfares are lower than most any city in the USA (thank you Southwest and Vanguard). MCI just barely missed being one of SWA's top ten cities. For all intents and purposes, we have a "hub" for Southwest. Vanguard offers low fare service to a number of cities that SWA doesn't serve. And Midwest Express is building up there service here. Along with them, we are served by Northwest, Continental, Delta, American, America West, Sunworld, US Airways, United, Frontier, and Air Canada. Life is good in KC.

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

i dont think mci is an easy airport to work at.
it was hard taking a bus between terminals and the airport is so ugly and dark it gives you a headache being their for more than 8 hours at a time.

had fun with the ual employees and twa employees but not a real nice airport like,well i wont give my opinion it really doesnt matter.





ual 777 contrail


User currently offlineAA-STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

I think they were referring to important as in the route structure....

User currently offlineAeroGlobeAir7 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

I know what you mean, we have the most convenient airport in the world. 300 daily flights to 50+ cities nationwide (and one in Canada, in addition to charters during spring break & other peak times to Mexico-Cancun, MEX, Puerto Vallarta, and I believe Guadalajara). But you can't tell me you wouldn't like to see us take some of the glory from the terrible hub airport nextdoor at STL (I connected to an Orlando flight there with Southwest...I just didn't like the airport much), and I personally would like us to gain some service that STL doesn't have. Maybe I just hold grudges against STL for taking some of the service we would have had they not transferred to St. Louis. Maybe I'm too young for that, I was only 4 years old when Eastern went out of business but c'mon we need some service. We don't need to connect to cities out of New York, the market is big enough as it is. Jetblue and Spirit both would be feasible. The New York market is huge, and MidEx, Vanguard, American won't saturate it. Jetblue would probably enjoy getting a piece of the midwestern pie. If not by way of JFK, LGB as a alternate entrance to Los Angeles. As for Spirit....Detroit or Ft. Lauderdale would be an excellent market...Vanguard serves FLL two times daily (??) and one airline isn't enough to fill the void. Southwest operates two or three daily to Detroit, and Northwest offers ludacris prices on their DTW flights (4x daily) so Spirit could probably take a little of that market. AirTran would be more likely to add PIT or PHL service than ATL due to MidEx, Delta, and Vanguard's services. I'm questioning AirTran's service probability since they just launched ICT flights. Other than that, there's alot to be expected for MCI. Vanguard is looking up, slowly, but surely they seem to be making their way towards profitability.

User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

I can see in a future Mexicana or AeroMexico flying to MCI.

I remember that TWA use to fly from MCI-MEX-MCI with 2 daily flights, one at the morning and the other at night.

Hope for you guys who want to see other airlines at MCI in a near future either MX or AM serve your city.

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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Why?

1) Local population too small.
2) Located in the center of the U.S makes it a poor location for a
Trans-Atlantic, Trans-Pacific, or South American gateway.
3) It's too sparsley populated West of MCI.

You can get by as a hub if you have 1 or 2 of these factors but all 3 will stunt your growth.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

MCI may already have pretty good service. But - a major hub at MCI would bring hundreds or thousands of jobs. While there may be no absolutely critical need for more jobs, as metro KC already has a thriving economy, they surely would help. A hub would also bring a measure of prestige to the airport and the region.


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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3699 times:

I agree that MCI's got pretty decent service as it is. Heck, it's got better service than SJC in a lot of ways, since WN flies non-stop (or direct) to a ton of places.

But I agree with others that it will never be a true hub, mainly because there are just too many other places nearby with greater O&D traffic. Perhaps if you had a clean sheet of paper MCI could, and would, make more sense...but the paper's not clean; it's got marks at STL, ORD, DFW that just constantly get in the way.

Steve


User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Actually, the best thing MCI has going for it *is* its location in the center of the U.S.; most hubs don't make it based on their suitability as an international gateway. The vast majority of traffic and revenue comes from domestic-to-domestic connections and domestic O&D.

The problems with MCI being a hub are as others have stated:

* The Kansas City metro area population of 1.78 million is on the small size for an effective hub. While CLT, SLC, and MEM all have smaller metro area populations, they also have other factors in their favor. CLT and SLC both benefit from their geography; CLT is the second-best place for a hub in the Southeastern U.S. (after ATL) while SLC is the second-best place for a hub in the interior West (after DEN). MEM benefits from the fact that NWA operates a large number of DC-9's with relatively small seating capacities; over half of MEM's mainline flights are on the DC-9's, and the number of regional (prop/RJ) departures at MEM is roughly equivalent to the number of mainline departures.

STL works far better as a hub in large part due to the fact that the St. Louis metro population is approximately 50% larger than the Kansas City metro population. And as others have stated, MCI suffers from competing with ORD, DFW, STL, DEN, and less so MSP, MEM, and IAH for similar traffic flows (and that line of reasoning also explains why it's unlikely you'll see viable hubs at airports like AUS, SAT, IND, etc.)

* Those "great terminals" aren't so great for people making connections, since the secure areas in each terminal aren't contiguous. While DFW does indeed have a similar design for its terminals, the terminals are also deeper, allowing for a single secured area. Even then, making a connection from one end of those "drive-to-the-gate" terminals to the other isn't exactly what most folks would call convenient. MCI would have to make some structural modifications (including a single sterile area) to a terminal to make it suitable for hub operations, especially with today's increased security requirements.

* Heavy low-fare competition (largely from Southwest, less so from Vanguard) makes it difficult for a network carrier to get high last-minute fares from business travelers at MCI. And actually, the same sort of competition at SLC has made life difficult for Delta there (and explains their reduction in mainline service there in the past decade) as well as for TWA at STL, though they couldn't really abandon their only hub. Of the 25 highest-fare major airports, 16 (64%) are network hubs.

But low fares mean that many more people in the Kansas City area get to fly; MCI has roughly 50% more O&D traffic than PIT, in spite of only having roughly 3/4 the population of greater Pittsburgh.


User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Then there was the second (local) Braniff. This was MCIs biggest tenet, at one time taking up the entire terminal A and part of B. Could we say missmanagment and over expansion once again, yes I think so. Would anyone in thier right mind of bought Air Florida? It was beautifull to watch this second Braniff grow.

Actually, Midway I bought Air Florida and Braniff bought Florida Express and their BAC 1-11's!


25 PROSA : But low fares mean that many more people in the Kansas City area get to fly; MCI has roughly 50% more O&D traffic than PIT, in spite of only having ro
26 Acidradio : It seems like MCI is too much in the center of America, and is surrounded by other cities that already have established hubs. There is the AA hub in S
27 Deltadude8 : Actually, Kansas City has e-kiosks and curbside check-in for several airlines, namely American Airlines. Kansas City does have jetbridges and they are
28 AA-STL : Scottb, by no way am i trying to challenge you to come up w/ some figures but by chance do you have the St Louis O& D figures compared to MCI?
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