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Which Country Has The Best Safety Record?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9188 posts, RR: 15
Posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

I suppose Australia has the highest Safety Standards, as well as the BEST safety Record in the World.

There wasn't a SINGLE fatal accident happened in the past in Australia (Correct me if I am wrong). Furthermore, Qantas, Ansett Australia, as well as Virgin Blue; NEVER had a single fatal accident in the past. And they maintain their aircraft up to a very high standard.

I am sure New Zealand, USA, as well as Canada have high safety standards as well. So as Europe.

What are your thoughts?

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User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7389 times:

Australia's getting worse, with the bureaucratic red-tape that's going on...

There have been PLENTY of fatal accidents in Australia. One junior pilot ran out of petrol, Whyalla Airlines or something, that plane crashed, that among others...

No place is immune from accidents...



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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

Aren't you forgetting private and small airlines. It's not just the majors that have accidents.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9188 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7367 times:

Thanks for the info. Nevertheless, Australia has very high safety standards, one of the best in the World if not the best.

Qantas is immune from any fatal accidents. So as Ansett Australia and Virgin Blue.



User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9188 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

There wasn't a SINGLE fatal accident happened in the past in Australia (Correct me if I am wrong).

Sorry I mean main trunk routes. But still, they have one of the best safety records in the World if not the best.

Just my 2 cents.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

United Airline,

Yes Australia does have an enviable safety record, but we also had one of the tightest regulatory environments in the world too. With deregulation and the changes from Quality Control v's quality assurance I think it's only a matter of time before something major happens.

Airlines are really only required to operate to "Worlds Best Practice" (international standards) which sounds to people as the "best" when in actual fact it is the barest minimum of practice.

Thankfully QF (and probably due to the unions more than anything else) maintain their aircraft to an exceptional standard as they well know the cost to the carriers reputation should a fatal jet accident occur.

You also have to take into account that the Australian skies are relatively *easy* to navigate and rarely have bad weather to contend with. The current operational standards at Sydney airport were virging on dangerous (share the noise flightpaths) until the demise of AN which cut traffic tremendously.

I certainly hope that we do not suffer from a jet accident of any proportion as the resultant public outcry and investigation will no doubt be damning. Average aussies curiously enough have always thought that flying in this country was as safe as houses and we have the latest and most up to date planes (which is clearly not true).

Cheers mate,


mb


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

I am willing to bet that Lichtenstien has a better airline safety record then Australia.


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User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7348 times:

QANTAS is NOT immune from fatal accidents although their last was around 50 years ago and they were EXTREMELY lucky with the outcome of the BKK accident a few years ago.

No carrier is immune. Mechanical failure, human error or weather can cause an accident at any time. A carrier, even a country, can go a long way to reduce the risk but - as I've posted here many times over they last few years - ANY safety comparison is flawed unless the operating conditions for the airlines concerned are, at least, reasonably similar.

QANTAS has a good record because it has, even today, a relatively long average sector length, long turn round times, on average fewer rotations and a relatively small number of aircraft and its passenger mileage is low.

If we are going to compare apples and pears, Southwest would win hands down as its sectors are relatively short, it has very short turn round times, short sector lengths and a large fleet and its passenger mileage is high.

People always used to point to Aeroflot as an example of a poor safety record. Now they point to other Russian airlines and Chinese carriers whilst totally ignoring the very different operating conditions, type of transport system in use and massive differences in terrain and climate encountered compared to any single airline in the US or Western Europe.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9188 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7340 times:

I agree with you Mx5boy. And by the way, did you manage to find Photos of the Interior of AN's B 747-300s?


The current operational standards at Sydney airport were virging on dangerous (share the noise flightpaths) until the demise of AN which cut traffic tremendously.

I thought QF and DJ have filled up a large part of the gap left by AN.


Thankfully QF (and probably due to the unions more than anything else) maintain their aircraft to an exceptional standard as they well know the cost to the carriers reputation should a fatal jet accident occur.

I agree. QF is the OLDEST Airline among all airlines in English Speaking Countries. QF maintains their aircraft up to an exceptional standard. So did AN. So does DJ.  Smile


L-188,

LOL. But why?


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9188 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7335 times:

QANTAS is NOT immune from fatal accidents although their last was around 50 years ago and they were EXTREMELY lucky with the outcome of the BKK accident a few years ago.

50 Years ago? When was that? What happened?

I don't think QF ever had a single fatal accident. They maintain their aircraft up to a very high standard.

Regards.



User currently offlineVapourTrails From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7334 times:
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United Airline,

Yes, Australia has a very good safety record which of course we are proud of, but please don't say that Qantas is immune from any fatal accidents. So as Ansett Australia and Virgin Blue. No country, airline or aircraft is immune from any fatal accidents, as you put it. That is just not being realistic. Safety has to be maintained to a very high standard by all involved and not fall to a level where a blasé attitude starts to take over, with a presumption of a 'they don't crash' type of thinking.

High price of Qantas cost-cutting
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1296000/1296178.stm




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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

Well, to be honest, Santa Marino may have a better aviation safety record then Lichtenstein.

But I am not sure  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9188 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

What I mean is...... They never had a single accident in the past.

Let's just hope for the best for Qantas. Cost Cutting in such a way is not very wise is it?  Smile


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9188 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

Fatal Accident I mean.....

User currently offlineManuel From Portugal, joined Aug 2004, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

This topic reminds me of an accident in which a QF 744 was involved. The plane was severely damaged while landing at Rome Fiumicino a couple years back and despite the plane being an insurance write-off, QF repaired it just so their safety record remains immaculate......

User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7288 times:


Except the latest EgyptAir crash,which reasons remain unknown till the moment,Tunisia has never had a tragic accident !!!


User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

Sorry United, my typo, should have been "around 70 years ago" not "around 50 years ago".

Read: "Air Crash: The Story of How Australia's Airways Were Made Safe." which details fatal QANTAS accidents and also Terry Denham's
"World Directory of Airline Crashes" lists these also.

As to comparing QANTAS with other airlines since WW2, "The Final Call: Why Airline Disasters Continue to Happen" has the following very telling piece:

"Qantas is always quoted as the safest. Well, maybe. But it would take Qantas a quarter of a century to fly as much as United does in a year! UAL had about one accident every four years-that's one accident every four and a half million departures. On that basis, to match the UAL record, Qantas would have one fatal accident every thirty-two years, and would have to fly something like 128 years to equal UAL's exposure to date."


User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7263 times:

I think New Zealand and Australia have great safety records, but Australia being the exception!!

Cheers
Mike


User currently offlineDuff From New Zealand, joined Oct 2001, 117 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7226 times:

United Airline

I think a more suitable title to the post would be "Which country's major airlines have the best safety record".

You would have to investigate Airline, GA, Military ops to answer the question you have posed.



User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Belgium will be high up that list aswell.
Whoever mentioned the US should have a look at air disaster.com and do a bit of search work.



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User currently offlineEugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7144 times:

A silly discussion as the country with the biggest air travel business is going to have more accidents then smaller countries. How can you compare Belgium with the US!!

Australia benefits from excellent weather, low traffic movements and excellent training!


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9188 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7129 times:

US has high safety standards as well. But I think Australia is just as good if not better.  Smile

Sorry United, my typo, should have been "around 70 years ago" not "around 50 years ago".

The plane was severely damaged while landing at Rome Fiumicino a couple years back and despite the plane being an insurance write-off, QF repaired it just so their safety record remains immaculate......

What happened?



User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7103 times:

United Airline,

Instead of asking others to do your research, perhaps you could trawl a few web sites, read a few books, look up old newspaper and magazines on microfiche - the bog standard way of learning those of us who know a little have used over the years.

It would improve your knowledge no end and have the added benefit of giving you less time to post statements which are either not based on fact or have no standard against which they can be corelated.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

PhilB,

Are you forgetting QF flies around 85% of Australia's domestic market including high frequency short sectors?

mb


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7005 times:


When ever people talk about safety in airlines there is always some theory to say why it is the particluar airline has such a good record. Anyway I do not think that the nation of Trinidad and Tobago has one of the best safety records with no fatal accidents ( i might be wrong). The nation's airline BWIA also has a number one saftey record with no fatal accidents for over 60 years. The airline began operations in 1940.



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25 Bells : This is a pointless argument. It is impossible to rate how safe a country's airlines are based on the number of accidents, because accidents are so ra
26 Spark : Judging safety by determine what countries have the least fatal accidents is a little bit like judging Poker Players by who has the most flushes! It j
27 United Airline : I doubt ANSETT AUSTRALIA ever had an accident in the past 65 years. Air travel markets like Australia are so small you can't say they have the least c
28 V Jet : To quote Manuel "This topic reminds me of an accident in which a QF 744 was involved. The plane was severely damaged while landing at Rome Fiumicino a
29 United Airline : Rome is often served by a B 747-300. So did they repair that aircraft? I suppose so......
30 PhilB : 1. I didn't forget the QANTAS involvement in 85% of the Australian domestic market. 2. The QANTAS aircraft that should have been written off but was r
31 Manuel : sorry v-jet, I mixed the incident up with the BKK one, I'll do a better research next time. I have flown QF on the Narita-Cairns leg and I felt very s
32 Airsicknessbag : Some facts: post WWII, 62 airliners were lost in Australia. 29 of these accidents resulted in loss of life. The worst accident was the loss of aTAA F2
33 Leo : So the conclusion is: As was already indicated - Statistics can be misleading.
34 Post contains images United Airline : Ansett yes. But not Ansett Australia.
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