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Ryanair : So Arrogant But Also So Stupid!  
User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4407 times:
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Hello !!!


It is now the 5th day in a row I am reading a Ryanair advertisement regarding a promotional fare offered in Belgium. For 10 Euros you fly CRL-STN one way.
I must admit so far: nothing special. The same ugly ads, like if they were selling potatoes bags.
But the trouble is that in each advertisement you can find 3 spelling mistakes. Both in french and dutch !! It seems they literally translate from english to one of those two languages without even checking if the word is existing...
I therefore wonder how such an arrogant carrier isn't ashamed to publish such rubbish in the Belgian newspapers ???

As I know FR has its own advertisement design department, will send an e-mail to them, asking the same question as above.

Down with Ryanair... The low fare flying stupidity.


FB.


Life is great at 41.000 feet...
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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

What is the most common spelling mistake with regard to no frills airlines?

It is probably the airport that they operate from Stanstead of course!

I'm actually more concerned about Ryanair's operational standards than poor spelling.


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

Mmmm, a supposed spelling mistake, and you call Ryanair 'stupid' and 'arrogant'.

FB, maybe you're the one who is being a little naive.

Go and look at the statistics of Ryanair, then come back and tell me if you still think Ryanair -or its many pax- are stupid and arrogant.

I think you will reach the answer 'no'.

The adverts work very well; obviously, many people have decided that flying isn't anything special, just another form of travel, so it shouldn't be unaffordable. So, yes, just like going and buying a sack of potatoes. Why should it be any different?

Come back with something more convincing please.


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

Also when they made some comparative ads against Alitalia on all the main Italian newspapers (I think I reported it a while ago in some topic here on A.net) they made a lot of spelling mistakes.
And also if you go on their web site (Italian version) you could find dozen of mistakes. Probably because in their advertisement design department they haven't native Italian.
But at the end I think some little grammatical mistakes don't affect their operations...


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4274 times:
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About 90% of FR's German ads have at least one spelling mistake too.
It's the idea of how carefully they execute any of their operations that is being conveyed, and if they are careless in ads, it casts a shadow on them.

Konstantin



Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been...
User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4242 times:
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Moreover my opinion is that it is a complete lack of respect for the countries who host them.

Just my opinion.


FB.



Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineRw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

I've seen English mistakes on Lufthansa and geographical mistakes on a PTV screen where SNN was placed in Galway county.

do I hear 'down with Lufthansa' ?

rw774477


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

If there are so many spelling errors in Ryanair's adverts, then I totally agree: there shouldn't be, and any spelling mistakes which are present, certainly don't convey a favourable impression to more sensitive travellers.

I also recall the time when Ryanair's online pilot application form prompted applicants to pay online the application fee, at the same time insisting this was the only method, but also that a secure link was not available.

This was plainly outrageous, and Mr. O'leary was rightly lambasted by a BBC journalist for such 'madness'.

However, this doesn't merit calling the airline 'so stupid' and 'arrogant'. Ryanair thankfully learnt its lesson from the latter case, and still continues to record fantastic growth in many areas including passenger numbers; some of those passengers will undoubtedly be repeat customers. Obviously they are satisfied with the Ryanair service, so I doubt they too are being stupid or arrogant. Today, I booked a flight to Dublin with 3 friends for 29 pounds.

I've flown with Ryanair many times, and I haven't once observed the crew acting suspiciously or illegally. In fact, Ryanair inflight service is quite good.
As for all the trash swimming around the web regarding Ryanair's supposed unsafe ops--mmmm, no hard evidence has emerged, this is what makes me think it is all just a smearing campaign, orchestrated by who knows......

Regards


User currently onlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

If they can save a pile of cash by not hiring external PR agencies and doing the advertisement design themselves, they can get all the publicity they need through lower fares.


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

Well, that fits just into the general picture that Ryanair creates in the public. "Cheap,cheap,cheap, who the heck cares about the others". I personally hope that Ryanair will be forced to step up aircraft maintenance or have their fleet grounded, because spelling mistakes are not all there is. It is not a secret that Ryanair has had trouble with safety before. They do not offer any service - that is sad, but fine with me - but worse, they don't even offer safety and that is what has to be an airlines first priority. Also for no frills carriers.


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

'they don't even offer safety'

'Also for no frills carriers'

Proof please.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

They don't offer safety? Has a RyanAir plane ever crashed due to maintenance issues or pilot error? "Not offering safety" seems like a sweeping generalization about an airline when I've seen little evidence of this.

764, do you know something we don't?


User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

764,

Flying Belgian's rubbish about Ryanair is bad enough but you publish an absolute libel in your post.

I was going to forward your libel to Ryanair and let Mr O'Leary's lawyers contact you through your ISP but, of course, you aren't man enough to publish your email address - you are just a whimpering idiot with no knowledge who makes stupid allegations and hasn't the brains to realise what he publishes leaves him wide open to not only being thought a fool by all but to action for libel.

I challenge you now to defend your rubbish by:

1. Giving full details (including dates, times, flight numbers, information of IAA reports or any other credible evidence) to back up your statement that Ryanair do not offer safety.

2. Stating when you have flown on Ryanair (dates, flight numbers, sectors).

3. Stating any other sources you may have.

If you have real evidence of safety breaches publish them here by all means and I'll pass to the IAA for you so they can comment and investigate.

Of course, to be credible, you will need to include your contact details.

If you can't do any of the above, if - as indeed I suspect - you are a nerd with nothing better to do but fill what tries to be an informed forum with rubbish, I suggest you crawl back into your hole and leave this forum to those who wish to live in the real world.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Since when does FR has an advertising department?

BTW the stupidest mistake so far is a comparison Ryanair made in the press release they made when they announced the EIN-STN route. They compared Ryanair with those of BA. There was only one problem. BA had cancelled Eindhoven to London one year prior to the launch (this means they can't even work with a CRS).

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineGo Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Ryanair are stupid if they cant spell correcty but you will find mistakes with any large business, they cant always get things right.

i dont see ryanair as being an unsafe airline...i see it for what it is..

a cheap airline, offering cheap service that doesnt apologise.



It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Ryanair is providing jobs and services to the Belgian public. Ryanair is creating economic wealth in Belgium. Ryanair is hardly arrogant & stupid.

The former management & unions of SN are the ones who are arrogant & stupid. SN was the world's most consistently unprofitable airline in history, and was constantly being bailed out by the Belgian taxpayer, whether Belgians flew with SN or not.

I'll take a profitable carrier with no spellchecking over a bloated, bureaucratic pseudo-government national carrier any time!






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Go Canada,

You are right about businesses and the errors they make. Even Coca Cola, Hoover, and VW, using the best ad agencies in the world have, over the years, made errors resulting in either unintentionally funny or even offensive ads appearing from time to time in different countries.

Even Rolls Royce had to spend thousands of UK Pounds in the 1960s scrapping badges, a massive ad campaign and supporting merchandising material when someone pointed out that, in Germany, their new prestige model, the Silver Mist, might just give the wrong impression.

As to Ryanair offering a cheap service, why can't people get a grip on the fact that short haul flying is nothing more than a fast, convenient, airborne bus service. You don't expect frills on a bus, nor do you expect to pay over the odds.

From the late 1950s, airlines have been doing everything they can to fly cheaply ("Vickers Vanguard, the 2d per passenger mile Turboprop" ran the Vickers ad in 1959 - "BAC 1-11 the "Bus Stop Jet" - offering jet service on short sectors at low operating costs" was the BAC publicity in 1964).

The difference now is that the savings are passed to the passenger - making it easier for more to fly, and what is wrong with that?


User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4049 times:
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Don't worry PhilB, facts will be published very soon...

BTW, I really dislike your threatening behaviour with 764. Are you American to threaten people that way with rubbish about f*** lawyers ???


FB.



Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

I was going to forward your libel to Ryanair and let Mr O'Leary's lawyers contact you through your ISP

Mr O`Leary has lawyer`s? That is new for me! Big grin

Patrick


User currently offlineAirblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

facts will be published very soon...

These "facts" are the same of the report we read here on A.net a while ago or there are something new??



User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

'facts will be published very soon...'

Oooh, the suspense! Please, enlighten us Flying Belgium, or is this some more rubbish for our amusement!?

Please, do tell!

764 deserves to get the boll****** Philb dished out to him for making such an idiotic comment! (Basically accusing ALL LCC's of operating unsafely).

Sometimes I wonder whether it is just better to allow such stupid threads to die....but then I worry about those who live outside Europe getting totally false impressions of an airline, due to the idiocy and ignorance of a few airliners.net people who have something against a new airline which gives people what they want, to the apparent detriment of their 'favourite' BAs, Lufthansas etc.......very depressing.



User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

PhilB,

If your idea of contributing to airliners.net is threathening other members than you aren't better than those posting misleading information.



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User currently offlineLuzezito From Spain, joined May 2001, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

PERHAPS THOSE MISTAKES ARE PART OF THE CATCH!!!!!
THINK ABOUT IT



Quoniam Vita Brevis Est, Propera!
User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Flying Belgian,

The British Courts recently ruled that Internet sites operating in the UK can be sued for carrying libellous material, even where that material is posted by persons other than the owner/operator of the site (e.g. in forums) unless the operator immediately removes that libel. Most other EU countries have indicated that they will follow suit.

That apart, ANYTHING that can be construed as libel is ACTIONABLE across borders, if the plaintiff has a mind and the money to persue the action.

If you didn't know that, I've done you a great favour. The Internet IS NOT a free fire zone for every idiot to spout off against his favourite target with rumour, innuendo and lies.

Believe me, O'Leary has the money, the lawyers and the will to drop on anyone libelling his company if he so wishes.


User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Manni and Flying Belgian.

Just to let you know, I'm not threatening anyone, I'm pointing out the facts of life regarding what happens to people who libel others.

BTW, I understood the "facts" were being put to the European Commission today by the "pilots" concerned - if previous threads were to be believed.

So far the news wires, aviation info sites and other media seem to have "overlooked" the startling revelations.

Surely, a group of pilots, accusing there employers of gross negligence, illegal practices and flight safety breaches and presenting a document to the EC regarding same would have had EVERY station in Europe and the US out in force today.

Then again, perhaps the facts are so shocking, the EC has decided no publicity should be allowed and Ryanair will be eliminated quietly, without anyone being allowed to know how, why and when they ceased trading the SABENA can rise from the ashes, the Belgian tax payer can be ripped off all over again and Flying Belgian and his mates can turn their attention to VG Airlines and dream up lies, innuendo etc. to drive them routes that only SABENA have the right to operate - in your dreams.


25 Post contains images Caravelle : I don't very much like the way people here are treating other members of this forum. We may agree, we may disagree, but here (and it's not the first t
26 Post contains images SAS23 : If these 'pilots' were so concerned about the practices of their employer, why didn't they resign? And why did they join FR in the first place? I imag
27 PhilB : Caravelle, I don't know if you are deliberately missing the point, or have a lack of understanding of libel. There have been many posts on a number of
28 Caravelle : PhilB, I didn't miss the point. And I'm a regular here, though I don't post all that much. So I know the discussions, and the name of the game. But I
29 Post contains links SK A330-300 : I’m not accusing Ryanair or any other low cost carrier for not being safe. I’m just sharing what I’ve read and heard in media lately
30 PhilB : Caravelle, I'm not taking action against anyone, I'm simply pointing out that there are posts on here that are unsubstantiated and, in fact, libelous.
31 Post contains images Manni : Yes I'm Belgian, and no I did not made the link Ryanair vs Sabena when I replied to you. I'm certainly not disgrunteld and I'm very pleased with the c
32 PhilB : Manni, When you have a reasonable point to make and can contribute constructively to the discussion, I'd be happy to debate with you. If you had UNDER
33 ZRH : I don't really care about the spelling mistakes but 10 Euro for a flight is ridiculous and not honest. No airline, even not low-cost, can fly for such
34 PhilB : ZRH, Ever heard of a loss leader? You have to be very quick to get the low prices. BTW, easyJet state that profitability across all their services is
35 Capt.Picard : ZRH, Ryanair make huge profits, so obviously they don't need your advice on what fare levels they should set. In addition, many other airlines have no
36 Post contains links Capt.Picard : You may all be interested to read the reports on this website: http://www.carsurvey.org/air/airline_Ryanair.html I have no idea who this guy is, or wh
37 SAS23 : I am flying them PIK-BVA tomorrow; and back again on Friday; and PIK-DUB next Tuesday, returning on Friday. If I didn't believe that they were safe, t
38 Snoopy : Oh boy! I got a real chuckle out of this thread. Having lived in Japan for over two years now I am totally immune to spelling mistakes in English lang
39 Swake : Geeee! What a miserable, plain idiotic thread. So far nothing more than rumours, anonymous notes, and, oh yes, a few, God forgive, spelling errors. Am
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