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Argentina Downgraded To Category 2  
User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

The FAA downgraded Argentina's safety rating to Category 2 from Category 1 after a reassessment of the country's civil aviation authority found that it does not comply with international safety standards set by ICAO. Airlines from countries in Category 2 are allowed to continue operations at current levels under "heightened" FAA surveillance but changes and expansion in services to the US are not permitted. New services only will be accepted if operated using aircraft wet-leased from a duly authorized and properly supervised US carrier or a foreign carrier from a Category 1 country that is authorized to serve the US using its own aircraft. The Argentine government indicated its "desire" to correct the issues identified as a result of FAA's reassessment and FAA said it will remain "engaged" and will review the situation periodically.

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User currently offlineARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

This is sooooooo strange.. the security in Argentina's Airport after 9-11 whas changed radically.. its much much better than prior years... so.. whyit was cat1 during all those prior years.. and now its 2?? I smell political punishment because of the default or something like that...

my 2 cents



Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Knowing the FAA.

It probably took them a year to write the report.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

May have nothing to do with this, but I recently flew in to Buenos Aires' Int'l airport, Ezeiza, during the evening aboard an Iberia a/c.

I was struck by just how dim the r/w lights were-I've really never seen such a poorly lighted runway in my life.

This might also be the reason why Southern Winds, an Argentine domestic carrier wishing to start international services to the US and elsewhere, is using 767s wetleased from Air Atlanta. I've seen 1 of the 767s parked at Ezeiza, in Southern Winds colours.

Regards


User currently offlineARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Also they took Argentina out of the Visa Waiver program... this was back in february.. so what happends now with Southern Winds Plans? can they still start flights to the US? I'm not really shure about the wet lease.. couse it would be not very smart to have US crew paying US dollars.. its much cheaper to have Argentinian crew and pay in much devaluated Arg Peso, this is what Aerolineas Argentinas is taking advantage with at their MAD hub..



Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6214 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

By the way when is Southern Winds planing to launch flights to the MIA?
Chepos



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User currently offlineARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

They keep changing dates.. first it was supposed by early July.. now they are saying.. end of July.. or maybe August but I also read "...Before the end of the year".. I cant wait to see SW here at MIA it would be the first time ever to see 2 Argentinian Airlines on MIA, I just hope they park ARG and SW's airplanes together.. and that they get rid of the Varig that they put there  Big grin


Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

Let me guess, the USA is Cat 1 ?

We all know if the FAA say a country is bad it must be true !. I remember all the crap they gave the Philippines.


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

ARG, I got the information from the weekly aviation magazine 'Flight International'.

The crews won't necessarily be American, as Air Atlanta, despite its name, is actually Icelandic (check their web address).

The article noted that there was no other way SW could operate to the US under Category 2; it has to wetlease, or the US will ban SW's ops (as they have yet to begin).

Regards


User currently offlineLanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Wow, this is really sad indeed. This is gonna hurt them alot, so what about the MD-80s in Europe? Can they still continue their planned expansion?

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

LanPeru, I don't much understand how the FAA applies these rules, but from what I understand, placing a country under Category 2 status means that no new services between that country and the US may be started by airlines owned by the Category 2 country.

So I guess AR/SW ops outside the US are not affected.

Regards


User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Wasnt there an on again, off again openskies agreement between the US and Argentina? I did not follow that one closely, but seems to me there was some controversy along those lines. Perhaps that enters into things too, albeit after the safety issues.

User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

The radarization plan was another issue. Argentina commited to renew the radar system and US companies won the tender. But during the De la Rua government due to the increasing economic problems the plan was cancelled. This angered the US and the warnings of possible downgrade started to follow. The open skies proposal was also denied by Argentina, another thing that didin't please the USA.

User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

... and now they punish us with the downgrade... Clever....

However, I'm pleased, as my favorite airline (AR) will now have a kind of monopoly from Argentina to the US routes flown by argentinian airlines.

Also, can US companies start new services to Argentina?

jj


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

The last month I read an article published in Avion Revue Magazine about the dangerous situation in the ILS and landing system in Aeroparque Jorge Newberry, and many problems in the maintenance of the planes.

RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Yes.. this is a punishment.. Also US airlines can do as they please with argentinian routes.. but argentinian's airlines cannot add services to US..


Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

"Yes.. this is a punishment.. Also US airlines can do as they please with argentinian routes.. but argentinian's
airlines cannot add services to US.."


welllllll...... no. In case anyone is not clear on this issue, this is a rating based on the country (not on any individual airlines) by the FAA. It affects air service only between the country in question and the us. The Cat 2 rating doesn't disallow US carriers to fly there, no, but I doubt argentina would let them, in light of being downgraded. (just want to make sure not to rub anyone the wrong way here, I don't know anyithng about the current politics in volved and don't intend to deny this was done as punishment)



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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1810 times:

What i mean is, not allowing more new flights from argie airlines to the US, means the US govt. won't allow more new flights from US Airlines to Argentina?

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1791 times:

Given Argentina's economy, I highly doubt ANY US airline wants to start new Argentinian service.

User currently offline747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1783 times:

UA has announced new nonstop serrvice from IAD-EZE starting late October, 2002. Will this service be affected?

User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1778 times:

And American is starting DFW-EZE soon...

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

No US carriers' services to Argentina or any other Cat 2 countries are affected by such a rating - indeed they can expand their services (provided that the affected country allows them to) but the restrictions on the home countries airline(s) can literally take the wind out of their sails and thus give the US carriers a major advantage.

This Categorisation thing has had a lot of political overtones in the past and countries seem to have been downgraded in the past whenever they upset the US in one way or another. Somehow Argentina's downgrade seems to smell of that...

Trintocan.



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