Lapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1507 posts, RR: 8 Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1061 times:
OK, Continental Airlines have been charging for alcoholic beverages on internation serives for nearly 3 weeks now. Does anyone have any views on this? Would it affect you travelling CO internationally? Have there been many complaints about it? Do you think other airlines will follow suit?
CoAir@IAH From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1045 times:
I would think that this is for the economy passengers only. Or is that not correct?
Personally, I think that unless you pay for a first class ticket you should be charged for an adult beverage. In my opinion, I would much rather fly an airline that spends the extra money on making the food on the flight better and I belive that is what CO plans on doing with the extra money.
CO meals are already pretty good in coach on INTL routes.
Does anyone know if they have changes since the new policy went into place?
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1015 times:
This new policy is for economy class pax only.....CO now charges for drinks on overseas flights and, in turn, used the "liquor budget" to upgrade the meal services on those flights, which CO believed needed some upgrading. The logic was everyone eats, and only some drink, so the money is better spent on improving the meal services.
I fly CO often on transatlantic and thought that the meal services, in coach, were a bit underwhelming, but no worse than other US or European carriers....have not flown CO transatlantic since the new policy went into effect on 01 July.
Lets see if the other airlines, especially the US carriers, follow this move?
Kwsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 955 times:
To me, this policy is not a problem. I'm willing to pay for my pre-dinner drinks and get a better meal. What I really dislike is Lufthansa (from what I understand-could be wrong) stopping the pre-dinner drinks service altogether, so you cannot even get one if you want it !
In the end the best is BA or anyone else that still do the dinks-for free !
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4584 posts, RR: 26 Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 842 times:
Delta is planning on charging for alcohol in Economy on selected international flights soon. I believe they will start first with 3 or 4 "heavy drinking" routes such as JFK-SVO and ATL-MAN. Not sure which others but ATL-SNN/DUB may be one as well...
Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2863 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 796 times:
Not sure which others but ATL-SNN/DUB may be one as well...
Propagating stereotypes, huh?
I flew ATL-SNN-DUB in June and the only problem was a guy who patted a FA on the butt when she was trying to close the center bins... but that was before takeoff, and I think he was just a creep -- didn't look drunk.
Pax definitely were not driving the crew nuts with drink requests and getting out of hand.
I personally think that charging for drinks on an int'l flight is a big mistake. When you fly across the pond, there's a certain prestige factor. Printed menus, IFE, etc., and free booze is part of it.
IAH_EWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 37 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 778 times:
It may be a big mistake as far as prestige goes, but airlines are in business to make money. Given the current economic situation, expect to see other airlines implement similar policies. Without these cost-cutting measures, many current airlines simply cannot survive.
Anyway, this makes economic sense...those who want booze can have it, they just have to pay for it. This keeps the non-drinking passengers from having to, in effect, subsidize the alcohol. Also, the additional revenue/cost savings (or at least some of it) is being put back into the food, which affects everybody. If you really have to have a drink, I don't think $4 is going to set you back too much, especially if you can afford to fly overseas.
United_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7159 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 764 times:
Makes sense to me. Maybe those who drink too much and cause problems won't drink as much if the have to pay $4 a drink. When I flew LAX-LIH last year on UA the plane was late arriving from DEN and drinks were free. The lady behind me obviously had too many and was starting to get on my nerves! I have no problem paying $4 a drink because @ altitude it's like having 2.
'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
Caravelle From Norway, joined Aug 2000, 666 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 654 times:
On charters, here in Europe at least, you´ve had to pay for your drinks for years, and that´s not a problem for most pax. But some people, cheapskates really, buy their own alcohol before boarding, and drink as much as they want onde inside the plane. I know it´s not allowed, but on a packed charter it´s impossible for F/As to see what´s happening until it´s too late, and someone turns nasty.
I´ve never seen this happening on scheduled flights where complementary drinks were served. And in addition, F/As has a certain control as to who gets how much to drink.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 629 times:
I for one was very upset at the change. I agree that they are in it for the money and all and that is ok, but when you pay $1500 for a ticket
If all passengers were paying 1500 for their ticket, CO wouldnt be charging for drinks, problem is that yields are down. I know that there wasn't talk of charging for drinks pre Sept 11th. I also believe that you will see most of the other US carriers start to charge for drinks soon. I know Delta are about to do it also, and I believe that once the other carriers see them doing it, and doing it without any significant problems, they will join in too.
As far as the food getting worse, I don't understand how you got to that conclusion, I fly CO about 100 longhaul flights per year and while I am not often in coach, I have seen the changes, and the meal is considerably better than before.
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6431 posts, RR: 58 Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 628 times:
CO is my last choice transatlantically. I may only have one or maybe two alchoholic drinks on a T/A flight (which I usually do on a full Y ticket), and I will bring my business elsewhere, like AA, UA or DL with better aircraft, more legroom, and a free glass of wine.
Richardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3709 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 621 times:
I like a glass of wine with a hot meal, particularly in winter and on a 2.5 hour plus flight, it adds to the enjoyment of the flight and often assists sleeping. Restrict the alcohol and charge those who want a lot of drink, you are either a full service airline or you aren't.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 618 times:
European airlines have charged for alcoholic drinks for a long time.
Sometimes wine or beer is free, or you get the first one free, but after that pay up.
Both makes more money available for other things (like better food) and might prevent some people from drinking themselves into oblivion (or air rage), which is a far more important reason IMO.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 615 times:
bestwestern wrote...and I will bring my business elsewhere, like AA, UA or DL with better aircraft, more legroom, and a free glass of wine.
Better aircraft ? CO has way newer planes than all of them, and other than United, they all have similar fleets. I would say that CO's planes are in better and newer condition than any of the ones you mentioned, and the others are about to charge for alcohol too.
Delta having more legroom ? ha !... please have the decency to admit that you just don't like CO for whatever reason, as the reasons you gave don't make any sense