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Update On Virgin In India  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Here is a link of an article from the times of India.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=16379241

It says Virgin is not suspending flights to Delhi and it just suspending code-share flights with Air India or wants to. I think Virgin would do really good on the London-Mumbai route. Hope to see there A340-600 at India's airports soon!

Hope Sir Richard Branson gets his way!

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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

a) VS cannot operate their DEL flights without the AI codeshare since technically they are using AI's bilateral rights.
b) VS has no chance at getting into BOM until AI gets all the slots that they want at LHR, plus BA gets access to their coveted BLR/HYD markets.
c) The article is full of typical Virgin doublespeak and PR spin. The agreement they reached with AI was for 2 frequencies, with additional frequencies CONTINGENT UPON increased access to LHR slots for AI. Obviously, the 2x frequency was not enough for them, so they want to back out and have pegged AI as a convenient scapegoat.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1196 times:

How many more slots does AI want at LHR?

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

How many more slots does AI want at LHR?

Enough to maintain the current 10 weekly US services, plus an additional 6 weekly RTs from a mix of DEL/BOM/MAA and 3 weekly RTs from CCU.


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Why does AI want so many slots at Heathrow? Does Air India want to use Heathrow for more routes to US and Canada or fly new routes to London from India.

I thought Air India was looking to expand to Los Angeles though Hong Kong.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Why does AI want so many slots at Heathrow?

Because the bilateral entitles both BA and AI to 16 weekly frequencies each on the India-UK route, plus an additional 3 frequencies to CCU as per a side-letter. While BA uses all their frequencies, AI is unable to use theirs since slots at LHR are not made available. Hence, they are making that a precondition for any additional access to Indian markets by British carriers.


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Which airline was doing better on the DEL-LHR route BA,Virgin or AI?

BA has a lot of access to India, I always thought BA is Indias largest European airline, it serves Mumbai-Bombay,Delhi,Chennai-Madras and Calcutta. I hope the get approval to Bangalore or Hyderabad soon.

Why does in the Indian government restrict air routes to India so much. I hear alot of international airlines want to expand to India but the government wants everything for Air India or Indian Airlines only.


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1158 times:

Air India wants to offer more flights to the U.S.? Route them through Seoul! We need more flights to Korea from here (preferably JFK)! Damn, that route is busy!

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

What are yields like on LHR-India routes?Which of the Indian carriers is/are profitable?

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Air India wants to offer more flights to the U.S.? Route them through Seoul!

AI was ready to commence DEL-SEL-SFO operations before the Asian financial crisis in the mid-90s. Alas, it was not to be. Phase II of the current expansion plans calls for BOM-NRT-LAX however.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

What are yields like on LHR-India routes?Which of the Indian carriers is/are profitable?

Yields aren't anything to write home about - I have a table of them in a file somewhere but I'm too lazy to go find it - but for BA they are somewhere better than the US routes, but below the Japan routes.

Air India is profitable. Indian Airlines is not.


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

B747-436B says:
AI was ready to commence DEL-SEL-SFO operations before the Asian financial crisis in the mid-90s. Alas, it was not to be.

Damn...always a step ahead!


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

If Air India has or has always had the opportunity and everybody knows Air India could be a "World-Class" airline how come they have not expanded yet. What is stopping the airline, is it the government?

Back to Virgin Atlantic Airways topic, what aircraft does VA use on LHR-DEL-LHR route?


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1134 times:
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Virgin had been operating a 747-200 on the route.

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User currently offlineAirindia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

VA A340 was seen in DEL in May 2002 at the IGI terminal. i dont know whether they operate an A340 or it was a rare one of the rare times they flew A340 into DEL.




User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

Well, Air India and the Indian aviation ministry engaged in just as much double speak as BA, Virgin, and BAA. Where are/were the planes to fly these routes? Fleet acquisition was put on the backburner for years to end. If AI's marketing strategy was to go after the "ethnic" traffic only, then its expansion plans will always be linked to the whims of the travel plans of Mr & Mrs Chatterjee of Cleveland, OH (who probably prefer to fly BA or Lufthansa or some such EU airline). And now it appears that they can't even lease one aircraft profitably. See the following link:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_ID=16397519

These guys are a bunch of hopeless cartoons. This is like a plot in a Bollywood movie in which the fat, stupid mother (the Govt.) constantly coddles her spoilt eldest son (AI), while the bored audience (the Indian people) having paid their entrance ticket (taxes) have to suffer through this annoying, wasteful BS.


User currently offlineAirchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

Virgin operate the A340 twice weekly LHR-DEL since the retirement of the Classics. The airline are still negotiating to increase services as the current frequency is uneconomic.


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