TheHangarCat From Canada, joined Apr 2002, 87 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4434 times:
I've been looking at both JetBlue and Southwest's route maps and I noticed that there are no cities being served in the middle northern states. Places like Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota are not being served by either airline. Is it because there is no market up there? Are there no major metropolitan centers that are suffering from the costs of major carriers?
Can someone provide some info to a poor clueless canadian hangar cat?
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4419 times:
AirTran just started flying into MKE. There has been talk of Southwest obtaining gate space here as well, but that's all it's been. Midwest Express offers what I think are VERY reasonable rates to many major cities, with direct flights out of MKE. But of course, YX is not a low-cost carrier. I will agree with the other members who've responded to this post when they say the demand is not there. Most likely, Southwest serves Chicago Midway airport, but hasn't made the hop to MKE for this very reason. It would be interesting to know what AirTran's load factors are on flights into and out of here.
Penguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4378 times:
That is just like Enterprise Rent A Car. They claim to have a store withing 10 minutes of 90% of the Continental US population. Guess where the other 10% live? (hint, MT, WY, ND, SD) Plenty of land, no people and no profit.
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4624 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4368 times:
How does ATA do with their Saab regional flights feeding MDW? As noted above the Midwest's big problem is that a lot of markets don't have the volume to support 10 73G flights (WN's requirement) or 3-5 717 flights (AirTran's requirement). I've long argued that if someone could figure out a way to apply the low-fare formula to regional service, there'd be a big market out there. RJ's are high-CASM. Attempts to do low-fare service with props--ShuttleAmerica comes to mind--have not been successful.
If ATA has found a way to get 7-8 cent CASM's with its Saabs, they could have really hit on something for the Fargos, Duluths, and Traverse Cities of the country. Do the Saabs to SBN, TOL, etc., make good money at low enough fares to stimulate business? If so, that could be a way for low-fare service to get into the Plains and Upper Midwest.
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Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4352 times:
To follow on the theme above about little demand to the midwest cities (as well as the hubbing of NW at places like DTW and MSP), consider this: No one really WANTS to fly to these places, they HAVE to.
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FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7026 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4331 times:
The ATA Saab 340 flights seem to be doing well...at least judging by ATA's traffic releases. ATA Connection has done wonders for Springfield,IL...traffic is way up there. However, most of the ATA Connection cities are still pretty decent sized markets...DSM,GRR,TOL,SBN,DAY,IND,MKE,MSN all have at least 250,000 people.
There just aren't any large markets in states like Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota or South Dakota. I have doubts if people living in those parts of the country will ever see lowfare service. The traffic volume just isn't there....the only way service works is if you use small planes (like RJ's and props) and feed into mega hubs.
There are almost 430 commercial airports in the US. Looking at traffic numbers and population figures, I can't see more than about 150 airports that can support some type of lowfare service. The remaining cities will just be stuck with the major network carriers and high fares. Or in some cases, they will lose air service altogether.