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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

I was bored today while waiting for a bus and called up JFK ATIS on my cell phone to see what runways were in use. I got very confused by two things:

First, they said "VORDME Runway 22 left, approach and use Runway 13 left."

What does that mean? If they are using VORDME Rwy 22, why would they be landing on 13L?

My other thing was when they said "......approach and use Runway 13 left, depart runway 31 right."

Isn't that the same Runway? The means planes deparitng are going head to head with plane that are landing, right?

Did I miss something here?

Also, if it helps, they said some about noise abatement.

What's the deal here?


Phil Derner Jr.
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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Hey, Phil.

Runway 22L is far enough away from runway 13L that they can use both for simultaneous landings. I've actually seen them land THREE planes at the same time using runways 22L, 13L and 13R (usually Delta aircraft) and a few other combinations. They usually use this approach pattern between 12PM-6PM when arrival traffic is really heavy and there aren't as many departures. After 6, they just switch one runway for arrivals and one for departures, though they will mix it a bit.

And 13L/31R are the same runways, just different directions. It seems wierd that they would use use 13L for landings and 31R for departures. Come to think of it, they don't usually use 13L/31R for departures because it would take the plane residential areas. But I have seen them use both 13's (and 31's for that matter) for departures when departure traffic is really, really heavy. It looks really cool to see two 747's take off at the same time -- one turing towards the Atlantic Ocean and the other turning slightly the other way.


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Yesterday they were only using the 13's for arrivals, and departures. After 2p, they also opened up 22L for some arrivals. There is no way to use both 31, and 13 at the same time. Traffic would face into each other, not good at all.


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User currently offlineJeff G From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 436 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

You might have misheard, or the ATIS was just incorrect that hour. Typical flow when the wind is out of the south, as it was yesterday, is 13L and 22L for arrivals, 13R for departures. 13R instead of 31R. I've never seen a flow that has 31R for departures. Not much room down there to line up planes, and 31L works a lot better for departure routes. Probably a typo.


User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

What's the phone number please?! I'd like to call that myself just to listen to. Thanks!

Nick


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

JFK Atis: 718-995-8188


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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

I triple checked it. I listened to it play out 3 times. I'm sure it was just an error.


Phil Derner Jr.
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