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Drunk HP Pilots Rang Up A $122 Bar Tab(30 Beers)!  
User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

This is insane... 30 beers?

These guys should have "idiot pilots" branded on their forehead....



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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/3715212.htm

America West pilots rang up hefty bar tab
Party downed equivalent of 30 beers

When Miami-Dade police asked America West pilot Capt. Thomas Porter Cloyd how many beers he drank just hours before he attempted to fly 124 passengers from Miami to Phoenix, he replied: ''Too many,'' according to court documents released Monday.

The pilots, yanked from their cockpit July 1 because police suspected they were drunk, rang up a $122 bar tab at Mr. Moe's in Coconut Grove the night before the flight. Their party, prosecutors say, consumed the equivalent of 30 12-ounce bottles of beer and one martini between 10:49 p.m. and 4:22 a.m.

The only food listed on the tab: a hamburger.

Eight hours after closing out the tab, police say, Cloyd registered a blood alcohol level of .091 and First Officer Christopher Scott Hughes tested at .081.

It's not clear exactly how many people were drinking at Moe's with Cloyd, 44, and Hughes, 41.

The receipt seems to indicate there might have been as many as 11 people in the pilots' party, but prosecutor Ron Ramsingh said he expects to have evidence that contradicts that.

''You shouldn't infer from the receipt that there were 11 people in their party drinking that alcohol,'' Ramsingh said. ``We contend there were far fewer than that.''

A manager at Moe's declined to comment Monday afternoon. But two sources familiar with the case say investigators obtained a security tape from the bar that shows there were between four and six people in the party.

Ramsingh asked a judge Monday to revoke the pilots' bail, claiming they left Miami-Dade County and returned to their homes in Arizona without getting the court's permission.

Hughes' attorney James K. Rubin said his client believed his contract with the bail bond company allowed him to travel.

''The bondsmen told them they could travel back to Arizona,'' Rubin said. Cloyd is represented by attorney William Pearson.

COURT DATE

Both men have been ordered to appear in court Aug. 1.

''I'm not trying to lock them up until the trial,'' Ramsingh said. ``We just want them to follow proper procedure and come back and ask the court for permission to be in Arizona.''

Both men have pleaded not guilty to misdemeanor DUI charges and felony charges of operating an airplane while intoxicated.

They face up to six years in prison if convicted on all counts, Ramsingh said.

The Federal Aviation Administration revoked the men's pilots certificates three days after the incident. America West also fired them.

According to prosecution evidence released Monday to the defense lawyers:

The receipt shows the pilots' table ordered seven 34-ounce Sierra Nevada draft beers; seven 16 ounce Sierra Nevada draft beers; one martini; one ''happy hour draft''; and one ``Western Burger.''

Cloyd and Hughes closed out the tab at 4:22 a.m.

GUARDS ON ALERT

Six hours later, they arrived at Miami International Airport to pilot a 10:39 a.m. flight. Security guards said they appeared drunk.

The guards called police and said the pilots reeked of alcohol, had bloodshot eyes, flushed faces, and became irate when they were told they couldn't pass through a security checkpoint with large cups of coffee.

Hughes told the guards it was just his ''bad breath'' when they asked him if he had been drinking, according to court records. Both pilots soon took the controls and began taxiing the jet for takeoff. Miami-Dade officers called the control tower and had the plane return to the gate.

Officers queried Hughes about his breath. He responded the scent was ''merely mouthwash,'' according to the arrest report. Police read the pilots their rights against self-incrimination, court records show, and then asked them how much alcohol they drank.

`TOO MANY'

The pilots said they were drinking pints of draft beer at Moe's. Cloyd said he didn't know how many he had consumed, but that it was ''too many,'' according to an investigator's notation.

Hughes told police he had consumed ''many'' pints.

FAA regulations prohibit pilots from operating an aircraft within eight hours of consuming alcohol or if they have a blood-alcohol concentration of 0.04 or higher.

Florida's legal limit for driving is .08. America West policy bans drinking within 12 hours of a scheduled departure.


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Damn...they really tied one on! How could they expect to drink _that_ much and be sober 6 hours later? Furthermore, why go out at 10Pm the night before a 10am flight? They should be getting a good night's sleep!!

Oh well, now I know where to go for spring break: the pilot's house!!



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

If there were six people in the party, and they collectively consumed 30 beers in a period of five and a half hours, that's hardly what I'd call heavy drinking. You're only talking about one per hour, which in most people won't cause intoxication given the rate at which the body metabolizes alcohol. Of course, this is assuming that everyone in the party had equal amounts and that they spread out the drinking fairly evenly over the time the spent in the bar, which may not have been the case.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineBoeing764 From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

What type of aircraft were they attempting to fly?

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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Well, I know who to hire now when I want to go up, and down, and side to side in an Airplane :-P

User currently offlineSquigee From Canada, joined May 2001, 652 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Boeing 764- They were flying an a319 that night.

This story is becoming more and more clear as time goes on- these guys were drunk and knowning this, they tried to fly. Clip their wings!



Someday, we'll look back at this, laugh nervously, and then change the subject.
User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2048 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Here is the NYPost article on this:

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/53179.htm



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

prosa wrote...If there were six people in the party, and they collectively consumed 30 beers in a period of five and a half hours, that's hardly what I'd call heavy drinking

I would have supported this theory if it wasnt for the fact that I know too many pilots. I am not sure I have ever seen a pilot put his hand into his pocket for anything...never mind paying for drinks for others. Tab is most probably just those two...

It is the running joke in the Fa circles about how cheap pilots are..

Jeremy


User currently offlineBarney captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 997 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Artsyman,

FWIW, anyone at my table gets treated routinely to the beverage(s) of their choice, and if they're still on probation, food as well. Not to mention the Starbucks run mid-day. So please, we are not all cheap.



...from the Banana Republic....
User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Here is the actual document:



User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Barney, it was more joke than anything. Most of our pilots are excellent people, the cheap thing is just something that does the rounds when the topic of pilots come up.

nothing personal

Jeremy


User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Just out of curiousity...Not having been to FLA in a while.

Doesn't Miami have a bar time/last call? 0422! That's brass balls for a couple of 40 year olds.


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale! Wow, at least they know good beer. Oh and typical, the F/O picked up the tab.

What a sad state of affairs.

CH



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User currently offlineBen88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

$8.50 for a burger???

User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

http://www.conciergeindex.com/mrmoes.htm

Looks like they went to a pretty happening place.


User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Mr Moe's - New addition to the Miami sightseeing tour route. New prime time sitcom (Move over Cheers!).

I suspect those two lads didn't drink all that booze by themselves. However, proving that might be a bit sensitive since they probably have wives or girlfriends and being discrete about certain affairs that went on (no pun intended) might be the only thing left for them to save... seeing how they've done lost their jobs.
Then again, you'd have to be pretty drunk to pay $8.50 (U.S.!) for a burger... Unless it was a super sized combo and the drink was one of those 16 ouncers of beer :-]


User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Regardless of how much they have consumed at the bar...

BOTH pilots were tested to have ABOVE legal-limit blood
alcohol levels when they were ordered to return to
the gate...

IMHO, when you have to fly a jet carrying more than 100
passengers, you blood alcohol level should be ZERO.

Also, let's not forget the fact that they were out partying until 422AM,
and then had to show up for work in the cockpit at 10AM...



User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Damn, thats expensive to drink, over £2 a pint I think  Wow!
I pay £1.74 for a pint  Big grin



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User currently offlinePlaneawesome From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

In my expert opinion (resulting from many years of serious partying), they should have booked off sick.
The fact that they didn't probably indicates that they've done this many times before and nobody noticed. This isn't the type of thing that just randomly happens one time when you're in your forties. It is more likely a longer term issue.
They'll most likely cut a deal out of court and do a stint in a re-hab clinic.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Looking at that receipt, it looks like he could barely write! LoL!!


Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineKaitakfan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1588 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Bobcat, any aviator at the controls should have zero for blood/alcohol level, not just those who have more then 100 passengers.

User currently offlineJonathan L From United States of America, joined May 2001, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

>Looking at that receipt, it looks like he could barely write! LoL!!

I dunno, I process deposits at a bank and many checks are written so messy that they'd put that drunk guy's writing to shame...


User currently offline747-451 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2417 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2984 times:

Prosa Said:"If there were six people in the party, and they collectively consumed 30 beers in a period of five and a half hours, that's hardly what I'd call heavy drinking. You're only talking about one per hour, which in most people won't cause intoxication given the rate at which the body metabolizes alcohol. Of course, this is assuming that everyone in the party had equal amounts and that they spread out the drinking fairly evenly over the time the spent in the bar, which may not have been the case."

If they were drinking and EATING maybe it would lessen the intoxication, notice how there is nly one burger on the tab. And they weren't execatly drinkin' Coors Lite either!

I'm suprised there were no Jello shots either...burp...excuse me!  Nuts
signed,

747-451 (member of mothers against drunk flying)  Pissed



User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2968 times:



"Prosecutor says there were 'far fewer' than that(11 people).
Sources say a security tape will show there were 4-6 in the
party...."




User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2961 times:

$8.50 for a hamburger?
What a rip off!



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25 Lowfareair : I could easily see this in The Simpsons: Homer: Ya feeling ok, Moe? Moe: Not really, It seems like I've been running this bar for 14 years, and I have
26 Post contains images 707cmf : Damnit, Lowfareair. I wanted to crack the joke about Moe's and Homer Simpson. Almost did.
27 Cpt Underpants : What saddens me most is that everyone is missing the real issue here. While it may be remotely possible, I highly doubt that these two guys were drink
28 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : Pardon my ignorance, but where does it say anything about 30 beers? I see 15 beers, one Martini and one Burger. Oh, and a few more question, what does
29 CF-CPI : The amount they drank is equivalent to 30 12-oz. beers: 7 x 16 + 7 x 34 = 350 350/12 = 29.1667 plus one Happy Hour draft (12 oz??) == 30 12 oz beers a
30 Barney captain : "...On a more serious note, were these guys in uniform at the bar?" Ah, no. You definitely would not be sitting in the bar in uniform. The last thing
31 CF-CPI : Barney I think that's a good plan, but given the way those guys acted I wouldn't put anything past them. If I'm not mistaken, one of the earlier drunk
32 Post contains links and images Bobcat : It appears that most drunk drivers/pilots are now arrested in pairs.... Two drunk HP pilots arrested together..... ....and now drunk husband & wife ar
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