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Purported "Firsts" According To NW...do You Agree?  
User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

I picked up the latest copy of NW’s in flight magazine entitled “World Traveler”, a special commemorative issue. Many of the articles contained within this issue highlight NW’s proud and resilient 75 year history of passenger service beginning on July 5, 1927. Many of the airline’s so-called “firsts” in aviation history are detailed chronologically. Some of these milestones seem a bit strange to me. I’m not saying that these claims are untrue because I don’t know for sure but, I thought I would put some of these assertions before the forum for some feedback and discussion.

First though, I would like to congratulate NW and its employees for this special anniversary. I have always admired NW’s rich and colorful history and their tremendous contribution to aviation. May your company continue making history for our industry and enjoy a successful future. That being said, here are some direct quotes from the magazine.

1. “1949: Northwest becomes the first airline to offer beverage service within the U.S.---on the Boeing Stratocruiser.”

Are they saying here that they were the first to offer beverage service AND it was on a Stratocruiser or are they saying they were the first to offer beverage service ON a Stratocruiser? If it’s the latter, it’s a little misleading.

2. “1960: Northwest begins the nation’s first transcontinental all-coach flights.”

What were the city pairs? What about UA, AA, and TW?

3. “1988: Northwest bans smoking on all North American flights, the first major US airline to do so.”

I thought Delta was the first?

4. “Northwest is the launch customer of the world’s largest commercial airliner, the Boeing 747-400.”

Really?

5. “Northwest is the first major network carrier to offer an internet check-in program through its web-site, www.nwa.com.”

I thought Alaska Airlines pioneered this technology?


What do you think about these “firsts”? Do they seem accurate?


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User currently offlineAq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Very interesting...

For #1, I think it meant first drink service, and it was on a Boeing Startocruiser.

I'm not sure about #2-#3, but for #4, I'm pretty sure that they did launch it.

#5...NWA was the first...


AQ737


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

2. “1960: Northwest begins the nation’s first transcontinental all-coach flights.”

What were the city pairs? What about UA, AA, and TW?


My guess is all-coach is the keyword. I believe the others had a first class section. It's similar to WN saying that they had the first all-coach trans-con from BWI.

the first one sounds like the latter.

I love these. There is so much spin put into many of them.


User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Northwest was the launch customer of the 747-400.


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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

Sorry, I left out the year for #4 launch of 747-400 which is 1989.
and the year for #5 internet check-in is 2000.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

#4 is definitely accurate. They were launch customer for the 747-400.

#5 rests upon their definition of "major network carrier". In the past they have used a loose definition of this to even exclude Southwest from this category, so I have no doubt that Alaska doesnt count.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 1649 times:

NW was indeed the first scheduled passenger airline to fly the 747-400, albeit within continental USA. The first trans-Pacific service was flown by Cathay Pacific.

For item #1, what did they serve before that?



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User currently offlineB-HXB From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

I thought CX actually got their 747-400 first, because NW's was delayed for type certification, or something like that. That's what my reference book says, which meant NW didn't actually get their first 747-400 till 1989, despite them being the launch customer.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Northwest's ship 6303 flew THE FIRST commercial service of the 744 when she did MSP-PHX on February 9, 1989. Data is correct as per my personal recollection as well as by Boeing's website at http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/background.html


User currently offlineNwa757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

NW was the first to ban smoking on all North American routes. I remeber flying them during that time and all their ticket jackets made that claim to fame

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

........and I thought KLM were second to take delivery of 744's, not CX?

Sound good enough, if you think they are dodgy find the list for PanAm Big grin


User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

I doubt #1 is true. United opened its first kitchen for in-flight meals in 1936. Presumably they offered passengers something to drink along with their cold fried chicken.

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

>>>Northwest's ship 6303 flew THE FIRST commercial service of the 744 when she did MSP-PHX on February 9,
1989.

Interesting - exactly 20 years after the first 747´s maiden flight.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

i remember flying BA out of LHR and reading there inflight mag and it had a big 777 on the cover and it claimed that they were the first airline to take delivery of the 777.as we all know that it was UNITED if you read further down 5 pages later it stated they were the first to fly the 777's with rolls engines.UNITED was pratt.

i thought it was pretty funny.



ual 777 contrail


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Ual777contrail, you're wrong, or rather, the info presented to you was wrong. BA was the first to fly the B777 with GE90 engines. The first RR engines went to one of the Asian airlines from memory (can't remember which one).


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