Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Privately Owned F4's  
User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9132 times:

Have any of the F4 Phantoms fallen into civilian hands yet?


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sergio Gava



JET

10 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineCannibalZ3 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9053 times:

Theres a guy in Orlando that owns an F-5, and someone was telling me about a private F-16. Don't know about F-4 though.
-Zach


User currently offlineRickB From United Kingdom, joined May 2003, 243 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9040 times:

There is (or was - saw it on Discovery channel a couple of years ago) a guy in the UK who has an F4 Phantom obtained from the RAF (he used to fly them whilst he was in the RAF), it was flight ready but he wasn't allowed to fly it because the MOD still deemed it a serious weapon though.

RickB


User currently offline424_sq From Canada, joined May 2001, 129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

There is a F-4D on the airshow circuit owned by the Collings Foundation

http://collingsfoundation.org/tx_f-4dphantom.htm


User currently offlineZebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9017 times:

Are these ex-military planes capable of carrying weapons or were they modified and incapacitated (weapons systems) b4 being sold to private owners? One would think that during times like these, the military would not want to make it easier for someone to do something they(military) might regret. Just wondering?????


Educate your children before others mis-educate them!!!
User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

yes, the collings foundation is probably the only institution out there to own one. F4s are extremely (nay, beyond outrageous) expensive to operate. As a note, collings charges $500 to fly for 15 minutes on a B24 liberator. Yes, I was 'stupid' enough to pay that amount to tool around on a clear day in Monterey two years ago. It was rare to have clear weather there and rare to fly in such a bird--bottom line, the Collings foundation is not lacking for dough.

Back to the F-4. Expensive as all hell to operate.

And then there's flying them. Yes, people may own F5s out there, but the F5 is like a toy when compared to the Rhino.

I have the dubious honor of being one of the last aviators to go through the RAG and then have the bearaucracy decide that the F4s need to be replaced by the F18.

I was relieved but saddened that I never flew one in the fleet. Relieved that I never got to do a trap. The F18 was like moving into a Porsche 911 after stepping out of a monster truck.

Look at the thing. It's a huge-ass flying brick with little stubby delta wings.

It's fast as hell at altitude. mach 2.30, so they say. But when you go into a roll, the rhino will want to yaw as all get out. And if you don't stay "ahead" of it, you may go into a flat spin--which many will not get out of.

Between 150--300kts the aircraft is damn near unresponsive. Landing it is a challenge too as the sink rate is incredible. 182kts "clean" and the controls are mushy, mushy, mushy.

On a hot desert day (El Centro) plan on using up most of the runway on takeoff and climbing like a 152 until the airspeed builds up.

Point is, owning one would require a full-up ground crew. Hundreds of hours of training

Did I mention that it is the best thing I have ever experienced? I didn't even get the opportunity to "really' fly it, and I miss it.


User currently offlineZebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8947 times:

As I asked b4, does anyone know if these a/c are still capable of carrying weapons?


Educate your children before others mis-educate them!!!
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8926 times:

"does anyone know if these a/c are still capable of carrying weapons?"

What difference does it make? Does your local hardware store carry iron bombs by any chance?

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineZebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

LY744- There is no need to be sarcastic, I was just asking out of curiosity. I always tell my students that there is no such thing as a stupid question, but in your case I'll make an exception and answer your STUPID question, no my local hardware store does not carry bombs!  Angry


Educate your children before others mis-educate them!!!
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8906 times:

 Laugh out loud Sorry dude, all I'm saying is that IMHO, any physical changes made to a fighter jet to make it "non-lethal" are pretty pointless (although I'm sure most bureaucrats would disagree), since if one has the ability to obtain/produce the necessary weaponry, he would probably be able to reverse the changes as well.  Smile

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8890 times:

My hardware store doesn't carry iron bombs but they have a catalogue that you can order them from. I prefer 'Snakeyes'--makes it easier to hit targets in a suburban setting... Big grin TC


FL450, M.85
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Privately Owned 777 posted Thu Feb 24 2005 00:16:03 by Jdwfloyd
Help.. Privately Owned DC-9 At MCO Today posted Fri Oct 8 2004 01:48:27 by IflyORL
Privately Owned F4's posted Fri Jul 26 2002 10:15:45 by JETPILOT
Government Owned Airlines posted Sun Feb 18 2007 19:07:04 by Sampa737
US Airways-owned Delta Will Not Cut Cities posted Mon Jan 22 2007 21:51:06 by Jmc1975
LHR 3rd Runway: They Had Owned The Land posted Sun Oct 22 2006 08:20:11 by Kaitak744
Airline Owned Oil Refineries posted Mon Sep 11 2006 15:41:53 by DZ09
Can A Privately-flown Airliner Have Only 1 Pilot? posted Mon Aug 21 2006 00:21:35 by Hmmmm...
Airlines Owned By Airport And Vice Versa posted Mon Mar 13 2006 23:55:12 by USADreamliner
Is China Airlines At All Owned By Taiwan? posted Fri Jan 27 2006 15:05:24 by PresRDC