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Fedex 727 In TLH...what Happened?  
User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 4464 times:

Just heard something happened to a Fedex 727 in TLH--does anyone know what? TLH is shut down!!!

56 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineTygue From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 4418 times:

KTLH 261053Z 00000KT 9SM FEW001 SCT015 SCT150 BKN250 22/22 A3013 RMK AO2 SLP200 VIS SW-NW 1/2 CB DSNT SE CB DSNT SW FU SCT015 FU PLUME OVR APCH RWY 09 T02220217

Catch that? 'PLUME OVR APCH RWY 09 '

I'm looking into it.

Shit.


User currently offlineChili From Hungary, joined Apr 2008, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

We lost a 727-200 this morning in TLH. Word is that all 3 crew survived when the plane went in short of the runway. The aircraft was destroyed.

Chili


User currently offlineAirT85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

Questions involving FedEx/UPS/Airborne and others like them.
When an aircraft is crashed/destroyed, does FedEx know what shipments were on them? Do they notify the people who lost items in the crash and do they compensate them for it? Or is there no way of telling besides the package never arriving at tis destination?
Tony


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

The airport is expected to resume operations approx 1100...but at this time it's still a mess.

User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

Tony: But you can be sure that they know exactly what shipments are one which plane. I often receive or send shipments by FedEx, UPS or TNT and they all have excellent tracking systems, where you can track your shipment. You can always see where the shipment is.

So, I'm sure they can get a list with each single envelope in the plane out of their computer systems. Otherwise, the system woulnd't work!

Michael
http://airways.ch


User currently offlineAirT85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

I knew you could track them but I wasnt sure that they would be tracked down to a specific flight, although it would make sense that they would. Do they have "manifests" like passenger airlines do?
Thanks
Tony


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

News agencies are just now reporting this accident which totally destroyed the 727...thankfully nobody was killed.

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Best wishes to Fed Ex'ers today. Fortunately, as accidents go, this one appears to have a relatively happy ending.

User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

It hasn't been a good summer for FDX. Two substantially damaged a/c, elevator damage, a windscreen fire, and now this apparent write-off. Thank who you may that FDX is fatality free thus far.

My thoughts are with the injured.

joe


User currently offlineChrisKSDF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4166 times:



FedEx Boeing 727 cargo plane crashes in Florida


User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

If I am recalling the past FedEx incidents properly where the aircraft have been destroyed, they have lost at least four aircraft in the past number of years but have not lost a crew member. (other than the crew flying Tom Hanks MD-11/DC10/A300???  Smile )

Newburgh, NY - DC-10 Inflight fire. Aircraft destroyed by fire after emergency landing.

Newark, NJ - MD-11 Landing Accident. Aircraft destroyed after hard landing and rollover.

Philippines - MD-11. Aircraft landed long and ran off runway and into Freeport Bay.

And now this incident in Florida. They must hire some hardy people to have them continue to walk away from these accidents. Whatever the reason, thank God no one either in the plane or on the ground was hurt.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

It helps that only the crew is on board. Some of these accidents may have been more dicey with a load full of passengers.


Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineAirplanelover From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Its a shame for Fed Ex! Sad. I read it on justplanes.com. Heres what it says: FM1478, a Boeing 727 en route from Memphis to Tallahassee, crashed half a mile short of the runway at 0543 this morning (26Jul) as it was on final approach at Tallahassee. The crew escaped serious injury.


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5057 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Anybody have a reg. #?


Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16283 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

jjbiv.....what were the other 2 substantially damaged Fedex aircraft this summer?

Neil



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Wanna bet windshear?

I'm glad the pilots escaped.



redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

I am just throwing out considerations, not making any sort of conclusions:

First, these planes are often landing at small secondary airports in pre-dawn hours before the towers even open up. I know these crews are trained for the hours they work, but geez...amen to those who can fly such aircraft at middle-of-the-night hours!

Also, I am wondering whether these jet crews can build any sort of familiarity with the cities they serve...Tallahassee one morning, Bangor, Maine the next, Akron, Ohio; Manchester, NH; Fargo...et al. Save for any weather-related reasons for the accident, I serve these issues up for discussion. On balance, I do have to admire these Freight crews: up here in Manchester, NH FedEx uses A310s, A300s, and DC-10s (in addition to 727s) while UPS uses A300s (in addition to 757s). In the past FE has used a DC-10 on a MEM-MHT-BOS(!) routing (now it is a A310 until our runway 17-35 finishes getting extended to 9,000+ feet). Watching either of these widebodies take off, empty, for the 50-mile flight down to Logan is amazing.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Also, there was nobody on the ground at TLH controlling the airplane...
At night when the tower is closed, Jacksonville Approach handles Tallahassee remotely off of TLH's radar.


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Not once I've heard unhappy FedEx pilots talking about their shaky aircraft and very demanding schedules !

I guess it's catching up with them . . .




User currently offlineChili From Hungary, joined Apr 2008, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

The 727-200QT was N487FE. Like usual, it was packed completely full of freight and mail. As far as connector4you, there is nothing "shaky" about our aircraft.

Chili


User currently offlineCabal From Colombia, joined Sep 2001, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

ok all cargo flight have manifests, it has to show every single box inside the plane. Fedex has Multi Piece Shipment but every single box has an Master Airway Bill or a House Airway Bill. So you can be pretty sure they know what was inside this plane...I worked two years for CO in Bogota Colombia and we carried Fedex stuff to and from Quito Ecuador....daily...so take my word..lol

User currently offlineAirT85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

So do the people who shipped anything of value get compensated for the loss?
Tony


User currently offlineFsuwxman From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

To all wondering about the events of this morning...I was the weather observer on duty during this event. I missed the actual impact by about a minute or two (had to use the mens room), but I had been outside doing a routine weather observation. I saw the aircraft when it was about 15 miles NW from TLH, I assumed that the aircraft was going to do one of its two normal approaches, either crossing over the airfield and making a left downwind for 27 or making a right downwind for 27. Only once have I seen them attempt the approach for 09. While I was in the restroom I heard a boom, then two consecutive booms and ran outside to see what had happened. All you could see was the area on fire about 100 yards before Runway 09. Lets put it this way, it was one of the most horrifying things I have ever witnessed in person. Thank God the crew was able to walk away.


ASOS... Another Shi#y Observation Station
User currently offlineChrisKSDF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

According to the NTSB brief, the aircraft was N497FE, and not N487FE as reported earlier.

25 Acidradio : Apparently today was a major deadline for people who are filing to run as contenders in Florida state political elections, with the deadline for filin
26 Chili : N497FE is correct. N487FE is a typo on my part.
27 Post contains links and images BigPhilNYC : I'm glad everyone got out ok, but I hate seeing us lose the already scarce 727s. View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank Schaefer
28 Tom in NO : Aircraft involved: Boeing 727-232(A)(F), Boeing serial number 20866, line number 1067. First flew September 3, 1974. Delivered at N486DA to Delta Air
29 N79969 : I don't know about the wind shear theory. Were the WX conditions right for that? Is it possible that the PF became disoriented by an optical illusion
30 BigPhilNYC : There's some boy named Tyler out there that is very upset that his plane no longer exists. lol
31 Connector4you : Hmmm . . . 28 years old aircraft . . . ? ! Thank God the three crew on board are alive and can provide suficient information to the NTSB investigating
32 Zebfly2 : Did it land parallel to the runway or was it short? I really can't tell from the overhead pic. It's a good thing there weren't any trees in the area o
33 SegmentKing : word has came down through "reliable" and "knowledgeable" sources that they knew they were a bit low, nose up a bit, more throttle, well, it wasn't en
34 BigPhilNYC : I only saw one picture of the crash form CNN. Anyone link me or post any other shots of it?
35 Post contains links and images ChrisKSDF : Latest Wire Reports Accident Details - AirDisaster.Com Database Larger Accident Photos Chris
36 Post contains links and images BigPhilNYC : I found an error. Apparently, the webmaster of AirDisaster.com was either was listening to Chili, or made thier own typo, because the picture they lin
37 Clipper471 : Took the flight details off of "FlyteComm". Take a read at the last line, "flight status": Airline Federal Express Flight Number 1478 Departure City (
38 L1011 : Thanks for the registration. I looked in my records and found that I flew on this aircraft on 10/17/82, when it was Delta's N486DA, from ATL-DCA. A sa
39 Post contains links ChrisKSDF : • Latest News as of 7/27/02, 0439 GMT
40 DouglasDC8 : AirT85 (and others who are asking the same question), Anybody who had a shipment onboard the accident aircraft will be compensated according to Fedex,
41 Foxecho : Big Phil NYC: I thought you had more sense than that. Anyone can fly a keyboard, but it takes real men and women to fly planes in the real world. Thes
42 BigPhilNYC : You know I was just joking. No offense should be taken at that. It's well known that FedEx are extremely competent, probably moreso than most airlines
43 Jjbiv : Thanks for clearing that up BigPhil. As for compensating for lost shipments, each shipment automatically has a DV of $100. Additional value may be dec
44 De727ups : Fatigue...... The word the ATA, FAA, and box hauler airline managements don't want to hear. Fatigue is real, it's mean, and it's gonna be expensive to
45 Yyz717 : Fatigue? There is no indication that this 722 crew suffered from fatigue. The flight was a relatively short MEM-TLH with the crew most likely MEM base
46 De727ups : Why do you think this was the only flight of the night for this crew? They may be based in MEM but they it could have easily been their fifth night of
47 Jjbiv : A fatigued crew has no place in the cockpit. If you genuinely feel unable to safely complete a trip, please call in sick. Be safe now; answer question
48 SegmentKing : even if the crew was flying a sector like PIA-MEM-TLH, they have a few hours in Memphis to rest.....
49 Hmflyer : I agree with Joe. I know it is hard to do but if your are fatigued, you call sick. I had to do this a couple of years ago. I was working for a commute
50 RJ : Fatigue is a very serious issue indeed. For those who don't think it is prevalent within the industry, you are only kidding yourselves. We have all h
51 Fsuwxman : I had my interview with the NTSB with respect to the incident this morning.
52 Pmcdonald : Reading the summaries of some of the bad luck experienced by FedEx recently reminded me of an incident that occurred a few years ago on a DC-10 (I thi
53 BigPhilNYC : Fsuwxman, what a cocktease! lol Let us know what they asked! What went on, you can't tell us something like that and NOT divulge! It's not national se
54 Dc10guy : Fatigue is the last thing a FEDEX 727 pilot will ever suffer from...the longest leg for a 727 at FEDEX is less than 4 hours ...and then there done for
55 JETPILOT : MEM based? You don't know what your talking about. Crews fly round trips into the sort from the outstation, and then return.... unless there is a crew
56 Dc10guy : I've been in the overnite frieght bis since 1978. I've seen what the pilots have to "deal with" and you now what? it ain't very fatigue'in. On the wor
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