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Why Are Delta 777 Seats Going From 2-5-2 To 3-3-3?  
User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Why are Delta 777 seats going from 2-5-2 to 3-3-3?



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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

I would speculate, because nobody likes to sit in the center of the 5 seat middle section.


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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4577 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Here is the intended photograph:


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User currently offlineLionel From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

In a 2-5-2 seatlayout only one passanger has two other pax untill the aisle but with 3-3-3 there are two pax! It doesn't make any sense IMO...

User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

I actually remember thinking it would make no sense to have 3-3-3. But after flying, I prefer the 3-3-3 layout...don't know what it is, it just feels better.

Trevor



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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Lionel:

I think that the point of the 3-3-3 layout is that no one is more than one seat from an aisle OR a window.

Hope that clears it up.

JR Lander


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Cos sitting in the middle of the middle is awful. Having to clamber accross everyone to get out to the loo. I had to endure that on UA from LHR-SFO. A 3-3-3 also gives the feeling of more space per pax.
I would also suspect that a 3-3-3 config is also easier to clean on a turnround and also easier for the cabin crew to serve people, as they don't have to lean accross as far.

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User currently offlineAgrodemm From Greece, joined Apr 2000, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

I would agree that the only reason is the "feeling" the passengers have on a 3-3-3 config. The 2-5-2 just seems cramped.
At any rate, what I really like is the 2-4-2 config on the A-340's. IMO this is the most fair configuration. Everybody is at most 1 seat away from aisles.


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Why does nobody realise 2-4-3 is the best of both worlds?  Sad

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineAdmiral ackbar From Canada, joined May 2002, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Have to agree that 2-4-2 is the best. That is the layout on Air Canada's A330-300's and it is quite roomy for Y. Never been on a 777, but I assume they have similar cabin width?



User currently offlineJayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Simple....2-5-2 stinks!!!!!!!

JH


User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

2-5-2 One pax are two seats away from the aisle, four pax one seat away.
3-3-3 Two pax are two seats away from the aisle, three pax are one seat away.

Take your pick I guess.

I would really like 2-4-3. Why can't any US airlines do that? It's a more sensible option IMO.

Shawn


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

>>>Have to agree that 2-4-2 is the best. That is the layout on Air Canada's A330-300's and it is quite roomy for Y. Never been on a 777, but I assume they have similar cabin width?

Nope, the 777 is wider than an Airbus is wider than a 767. That´s why 777s come with 10 or 9 abreats, Airbusses with 9 or 8, and 767s with 8 or 7 - the lowernumber is of course the standard, while the higher number is used mainly by holiday airlines.


I hear there was an airline with 3-5-3 on the 747 - is this true? It would make sense, compared to the 777 which is less wide.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineAviastar From Belarus, joined Nov 2000, 280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

3-3-3...
The Russian introduced this configuration 25 years ago in the Il-86 and the Il-96:

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User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Agreed that 2-4-3 is a good way to go on a 777/MD-11. KLM thought so when they got their MD's, saying that it provides the most flexibility for groups of various sizes. It's hard to argue with that one, but I'm told the drawback is that the seating is not symmetrical with the cabin centreline, making it tricky to arrange them around lavs, etc.

From a cost standpoint I suppose 3-3-3 is good for the airlines since all they need to inventory are 'triple' units of seats.


User currently offlineAq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

I agree with you CD-CPI! The aisles will not be inline. And also the aircraft will be "lopsided" because if you put lavatories on bothside os the cabin, it will look wierd. Although fits passengers needs, it may look a bit cramped!

Aq737


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Passengers probably prefer the 3-3-3 over the 2-5-2. In the 3-3-3, you are never more than I seat from the aisle or window!


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User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3172 times:

CF-CPI, they have to use three different units because the side units have to have different legs (due to the rounded side walls of most aircraft) than the center units.

Still I prefer 3-3-3. Symetry rules, especially in airplanes!


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 3110 times:

The 3-4-2 is definitely the best. All 747s until about the late 70s or early 80s were configured that way before the numbing 3-4-3 took over.

User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 3096 times:

The U.S. surgen general recently said that more than 60%
of American adults are overweight. (also 13% of children)
He said the trend it likely to continue and blah, blah, blah...
(myself included, at 12 lbs over the average BMI)

Anyway, the airlines apparently don't think so and they are
squeezing in more passengers... Oh well, look at the
bright side, at least the airlines don't think we're fat...

It seems like a lot of folks prefer the A330s/A340s over the
777s. At least you're never one seat away from the aisle.
2-4-3 in 777s is the best configuration.


User currently offlineBOEING747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 3084 times:

How about 2-2-2-2 with 3 aisles? That'll be pretty cool, uh huh?

User currently offline2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Bobcat.. if you are refering to the change Delta is doing.. then, actually.. the 777 will be seating LESS then it currently does in a 2x5x2 seating arangement.. It'll actually seat the same # or close to it, as the MD11 currently does. It will be 50 in BizElite and 218 in Y. A loss of 6 seats in the main cabin- most likely due to the crew rest area being installed when they reconfig the aircraft.

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4577 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

would also suspect that a 3-3-3 config is also easier to clean on a turnround and also easier for the cabin crew to serve people, as they don't have to lean across as far.

Leezyjet, sorry mate but that makes no sense - in 2-5-2, the cabin crew have to pass meals through 2 people to get to the centre seat. In 3-3-3, they have to pass meals through 2 people to get to the window seats.

How about 2-2-2-2 with 3 aisles? That'll be pretty cool, uh huh?

Not really - first think of all the capacity you lose, second think of the evacuation issues of people getting lost in the middle aisle. I doubt it will happen, sorry. I believe you would actually need to get the aircraft recertified to have 3 aisles as opposed to 2.

V/F



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User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

VirginFlyer, I guess the 2-2-2-2 thing was rather meant as a joke!

User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (12 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Ditto, Setjet; calm down VF!

Actually I'd love to have a three-aisle airplane. You could run all over the place. That'd be lots of fun on an overseas flight!  Big thumbs up


25 William : With 3-3-3 seating,its good for the FrequentFlyer on a 777 thats not full. When a FF identifies himself,the seating computer will try to leave a seat
26 OA412 : Why does nobody realise 2-4-3 is the best of both worlds? I couldn't agree more! Having flown the dreaded 2-5-2 (albeit always in an aisle seat) and t
27 CF-CPI : Last night I was going through some of my old Airbus stuff. Of course, the A300 series has economy 8-across 2-4-2. Imagine my surprise to find a pic o
28 Post contains images VirginFlyer : Shawn Patrick - sorry I thought he was being serious (it isnt obvious from his wording). I was only trying to be helpful. If you would prefer, I can b
29 L1011 : Are they really making such an expensive change in the interest of passenger preference? That's a new one! If they were interested in what passengers
30 Richardw : It all depends how many people u are travelling with! I'm travelling with 1 friend from LHR-LAX, so we have chosen AA B777 because it is 2-5-2, we hav
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