KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 34 Posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1397 times:
Two medium sized airports only 58 NM apart, both serving central texas......which is busier? Berstrsom or San Antonio Int'l? Here are my statistics:
Aircraft based on the field: 253
Aircraft operations: average 541/day
Single engine airplanes: 136
Multi engine airplanes: 67
Jet airplanes: 45
45% transient general aviation
31% air carriers
3% local general aviation
Aircraft based on the field: 190
Aircraft operations: average 599/day
Single engine airplanes: 76
Multi engine airplanes: 48
Jet airplanes: 22
46% air carriers
36% transient general aviation
6% local general aviation
From this it would appear that AUS is significantly busier, especially in terms of air carriers, despite the fact that san antonio has a population nearly twice as large. I fly out of AUS regularly and it can get very hectic at peak hours, especially when 17L/35R was recently closed. San Antonio on the other hand is a bit easier since no matter where you are on the airport, it seems like you're always close to the end of a runway!
Nonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1289 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1339 times:
SAT does indeed have the population and the reputation as the favorite tourist city in Texas. However, I have seen Austin evolve into a very significant operation since my family first moved there in 1979. Austin definitely has had a boom since then. There are a lot of computer companies like Dell, IBM, and Apple in the metro area. The city has been discovered as an ideal place to live. Certainly, there is a lot of wealth there. Housing and rent costs are very high now. Sure, San Antonio has seen growth too, but it is nothing like what Austin has experienced.
If you want to see where most of the Austin flight operations take place, check out the Congress Street bridge at sunset
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 34 Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1321 times:
One odd thing about the statistics is that SAT seems to beat Bergstrom as far as general aviation operations. I say this because bergstrom is pretty much the only airport in Austin for both general aviation and airline ops. Georgetown is the closest "busy" airport but it's still 30 miles away. In san antonio there are several GA reliever type airports, particularly stinson municipal, yet SAT handily defeats Bergstrom in terms of GA traffic.
I agree that Austin has grown more in the past decade than San Antonio. SA has grown maybe 10% since 1990 where with Austin it's been more like 25%. Still, I was surprised to find out that AUS had more commercial flights per day.
Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2981 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1279 times:
I love Austin.
I hate San Antonio.
Seriously, I think some of the traffic is because of the dot-com explosion that we had around here, there was a lot people coming here for that reason, plus there are several Fortune 100 companies with large presences here. I know that in 2000, American was adding direct flights here left and right, and Vanguard came to town. In 2001 Frontier came to town. Southwest has a lot of direct flights from here too, I'm flying AUS-RDU direct in September and I have flown AUS-LAX and AUS-SAN direct in the past too, all on WN. I have had friends come down here from the Dallas area to fly WN places because the Wright amendment makes it difficult to go far from DAL, and Austin is the closest big airport to them.
Plus, everyone likes hanging out in Austin!
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
AATripleseven From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 324 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1269 times:
Austin grew by over 40% between 1990 and 2000. Austin's per capita income is now the highest in Texas and is the most economically affluent city in the state. Even though San Antonio is twice as large, Austin's population has the mobility to travel and the city garners far more business traffic.
Milemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1043 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1266 times:
I remember hearing from some friends at AA that the AUS/SAT flights were lovingly referred to as the "nerd bird" since the high number of techies that made that commute. I believe it.
Anyway, Austin is withering after the dot-com bubble burst... I'd be surprised to see any real new growth in the near future. All existing residential projects are pretty much left over from when the projects were proposed to investors in the late 90's.
KLM744 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1189 times:
This is somewhat unrelated to the topic but since there are a lot of people from Austin here it seems like a good place to ask. My question is are there any specific times/days that AUS sees more military traffic? Also, is there any regular pattern to the military fighters departures/arrivals? Having spotted at AUS many times, I have seen 2 F-18s take off and an F-16 land, which was awesome and would like to see more if theres any schedule to it.
Clipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1183 times:
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After another count of daily departures I need to make a correction to my earlier post. SAT sees approx. 124 daily scheduled departures (I had earlier written between 90-100).
Also, SAT has 27 "scheduled" destinations: ATL, AUS, BNA, BWI, CVG, DAL/DFW, DEN, DTW, ELP, EWR, HOU/IAH, HRL, LAS, LAX, MCI, MCO, MEM, MEX, MSP, MTY, ORD, PHX, RDU, SAN, SLC, STL, TPA. In addition, CUN and CZM are served by charter with Allegro and Champion.
I'd like to see IAD (UA), JFK (DL), MIA (AA), SFO (UA); AirTran (ATL) and US Airways (PHL) come back; and Frontier (DEN) and jetBlue (JFK) to discover SAT.
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 34 Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1159 times:
As for the military question, 90% or more of the military traffic at bergstrom is trainers. we get a lot of air force T-6's and T-38's. There is also a little bubble cockpitted air force trainer with really high pitched engines that I see often. I saw a navy training jet today but I don't know what kind it was.
Lt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1140 times:
actually Rolex the AT-6 Texan II is the newest and Best JPATS prop trainer in the Air Force, it is replacing all T-37s in use. It was picked severeal years ago, and is used at Moody, Laughlin and Randolph with more UPT bases to come.
Aus_spotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 286 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1076 times:
Regarding the military traffic.....I don't know if there is a better time than others or not. It seems to be pretty random. I've seen some pretty cool stuff with military at AUS. I've seen 2 T-38's take off next to each other a couple times and basically go straight up after lifting off the runway. I've also seen 2 T-37s do the same thing (well, without the nearly straight up part).
T-37's were quite common at AUS but they are being replaced by the T-6A. T-38's aren't as common as those, but they do show up on occasion. I've also seen a USAF C-32 and a USMC C-9. The trainers are by far the most common military at AUS and you can probably expect to see some type of military trainer most days of the week. I don't think there is any sort of schedule to this.
On a unrelated note.....while on a trip to San Antonio last week, I saw a C-17 flying over the Six Flags park (seen many C-5's and C-130's fly over but never a C-17). Sure wish I'd had my camera with, it was low enough where I probably could have got a decent shot.
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 34 Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1078 times:
Thanks for standing up for me on the T6 issue Lt-AWACS!!!!
I was wondering for a second about that.....hmmmm could Austin Ground really have been mistaken all those times during the past 6 months when, during taxi, they told warned me to "hold short of hotel, opposite direction T-6's" LOL!!! Not only do they fly in formation, they also like to taxi around the airport that way.
The t-37 is the high pitched whining jet I mentioned having seen earlier. I would categorize thoes as "common" at AUS. Even more common at AUS are the T-38's. I would say at least half of the time when I show up at austin aero on weekday afternoons there are a pair or more T-38's sitting out on the ramp. They do a lot of low approaches on the runways and sometimes do those straight climbing takeoffs that AUS_spotter mentioned! The T-38's are impressive!
As for the navy, T-45's are not too rare at AUS either. I've seen T-45's practicing appraoches at CLL as well.
PS: Lately I've been Seeing a Air National Guard C-130 off and on at the Austin Aero FBO. It is quite impressive also!!!!!!