Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3592 posts, RR: 5 Posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
Karl-Ludwig Kley, CFO of Lufthansa, has confirmed that Lufthansa has ordered 10 Airbus A330-300, the order - as usual - being subject to approval by the Lufthansa board. Delivieries will be between January 2004 and November 2005. The deal is worth an estimated 1 billion EUR (compared to a list price of 1.47 EUR). Engines will be selected in late 2002.
Just to stop any discussions about which type they will replace - Kley did not go into details in the interview. However, please note that Lufthansa has only recently bought a second ex Emirates Airbus A300-605R from Airbus to boost its Airbus A300-600 fleet to 15 aircraft. Thus, the fact that Lufthansa has not ordered, as widely expected, the Airbus A330-200 to replace the Airbus A340-200 leaving the fleet for SAA, does obviously not mean that the -300s are going to replace the A300/310s. The A340-200s have been used on medium-longhaul routes recently for which the A330-300 is well suited and offers a bonus with its large cargo capacity.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3098 times:
Great news!
I was expecting an order for the -200's to eventually replace the LH A300/A310 fleet, although some of them are not that old. Are the 300's for long haul intercontinental routes or will they also be used on euro routes?
Wingman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined May 1999, 1837 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3023 times:
But I thought they were in discussions with BOTH Airbus AND Boeing??? I'm shocked that LH wasn't serious when it issued its press release at Farnborough. I guess its discussions with Boeing consisted of "Hallo Boeing...have you seen Airbus anywhere? Well, nice to see you again after alll these years, say hi to the kids". Hehe, like they were fooling anyone.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20853 posts, RR: 55 Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2891 times:
It has been long-standing LH policy to not rely on a single manufacturer. Either that policy was changed or Boeing really needs some up-to-date planes beside the 777...
Jaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
The 737NG and 717 are as up too date as any airplanes that Airbus has now. I think I read somewhere that the 717 is the most advanced airplane flying. Sadly though it isnt getting many orderd, but I am still hopefull it will.
Aamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1040 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2874 times:
How badly did LH want more MD-11s??? did it plan to buy like 50 more or just a pair of a/c?
I dont see why that would piss them off! afterall there are many ex-swissair aircraft now available, and in the next few years more from the same source [but called SWISS this time
The airbus order didnt suprise me at all, what did get me was the order for te -300 model!
i was expecting the -200 model to be ordered, because thats what everyone else seeems to order, and thats what i believed LH would order, to augment and eventually replace the 300s and 310s.
SailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2798 times:
LH never meant to use the A330 as an A300/A310 replacement, except for the medium haul routes mentioned. She has way to much wingspan and is way to heavy to be operated economically on all those 45-minute hops. The A330 is going to be used for all (or most) of the medium-rage routes (middle east, central asia, maybe east coast US), where it would replace the A342, so not ordering the A332 (with much more range) makes sense to me.
LH did want about a dozen more MD-11 according to my information.
If LH says the are in talks with both Boeing and Airbus, they are. However, LH is (apart from Integrators like FedEx and UPS) the largest cargo airline in the world, and considering the fact that the A330 has more cargo space than any 767, I would have been really amazed if LH ordered the 767.
I still think that LH might order some Boeings 747 also, they were short of doing so last September.
They will receive a couple of A343 and A346 next year, to compensate the 'loss' of the 742 and A342, plus adding a little capacity.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2780 times:
I too was surprised by LH's choice of model; while an A330 order has been discussed for a long time and delayed due to 9/11 and the financial aftershock of the events to the airline industry, I always assumed that LH would go for the A332, with its longer range, to operate "thin" routes where the A343 was too much aircraft.
While the A333 can clearly operate most of LH's longhaul routes, it still leaves a gap in LH's fleet.....while I agree that it seems that the A300s are staying, I thought that the A310s would be phased out when the A330s were delivered.
The A333 is a big plane as your smallest long-haul airliner.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2686 times:
finally, i hope i got the figures regarding LH´s longhaul fleet, especially on the A340s. corrections, if necessary, highly appreciated.
ok, LH has still 4 A340-300s to be delivered + 6 of these birds on options.
then, LH will start to receive their first of 10 A340-600s at the end of next year´s summer period. additionally, LH owns 10 options on the -600.
so if the A333s will enter fleet late next year and the one or two, perhaps three A346s LH receives in 2003 seem to only replace the 742s, LH seems to lack two longhaul aircraft if all the A342 will leave the fleet (-6 A342 +4 A343).
however, all the A342s will certainly not leave for SAA simultaneously so is there anybody who has info when exactly those birds will leave? i believe the first one is slated to arrive at SAA in February?
i don´t think there will be a gap, but to me it seems LH will not be able to expand their longhaul network pretty much next year. maybe i slipped some piece of info?
it would be so interesting to see all the exact dates of new equipment entering and the 342s and 742s leaving the fleet.
cheers
daniel
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Touchdown99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
It will be interesting to find out if the A330-300 deal is in some way related to the remaining 4+6 orders+options for the A340-300s. Some people seem to believe that the A330-300 orders simply replace the A340-300s orders and options - I have seen no confirmation for this theory and IMHO it would make little sense as the A340-300s were ordered way before it was decided that the A340-200 would leave the fleet at short notice. We shall see.
Re the Boeing negotiations - I heard that Boeing was offering the ex SQ 340-300s birds - no way that LH would take the 777-200s as some people obvioulsy believed when LH announced negotiatins with both Boeing and Airbus.
NDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2591 times:
Do they know whose engines Luftansa will put on its new a A330s. I'm a little biased working at GE, so I hope they pick the CF6-80E1.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2455 times:
Touchdown99,
Although they don't say it in so many words, Airbus themselves have confirmed the fact this A330-300 order replaces all outstanding commitments LH had for any more A340-300s. As you said, LH still had 4 orders plus 6 options on the A343. Current LH A340 fleet totals are:
6 A342 (to go to SAA)
28 A343
For a total of 34 aircraft. According to the Airbus press release:
AndrewAir From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 361 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2394 times:
I think they should of gone for 777-200ERs. I guess there just Airbus people.
9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1780 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2377 times:
In addition , LH is ordering the A346s . This has nothing to do whether we are Boeing or Airbus fans . I love the B777-200ERS too but it doesnt make sense for LH to order them especially they have A343s .
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
if that´s true what Hamlet69 is suggesting, and that´s rumours i also heard, than LH will definitively have a lack of longhaul aircraft next year.
if they won´t receive any additional A343s and the A333s will come online only late 2003, what is covering the A342s´ departure???
but i´m wondering, last time i checked LH had still 4 A343s to be delivered prior to September 2003. wouldn´t it be a little late to convert these into A333s orders?
cheers
daniel
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Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
i´ve just came across an additional Lufthansa statement which does not mention in anyway that the 10 A333s are converted from the remaining A343 options/orders. in addition, the article claims LH will then have the biggest A330/A340 fleet worldwide.
cheers
daniel
and tomorrow, i´m up ´n away on one of LH´s A343s (LH406), couple of days in new england and some days in the SFO area. take care
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Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9613 posts, RR: 10 Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2097 times:
AndrewAir,
if you think that LH should have ordered the (longrange) 777ER instead of the (midrange) A333 than you think also that United should order the A340/330, right? I makes as much sense.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2034 times:
Johnnybgoode,
Perhaps you'd care to post that Lufthansa annoucement?
BTW - LH would have the largest A330/340 fleet worldwide, by far, no matter if these orders were conversions or not.
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Lufthansa wanted MD-11s for their Cargo division, because the MD-11's belly has little wasted space, maximizing efficientcy. 
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