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Korean Air Livery: Daytime Stealth?  
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Posted (11 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

I almost see it as completely dangerous for aircraft to be painted skyblue. Aside from radar, does it not disappear in the sky?

Wait, is that why the bottom is not painted, or am I mistaken?


The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9720 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

I don't see your point Lehron, an airline's livery doesn't have to do anything with being seen on a radar. The transponder on an aircraft sends out a signal to the radar so its position can be determined. The colors of the airline livery does not have any influence on this. Pilots use the systems on board such as TCAS/ACAS or ATC instructions to determine an aircraft's position and what (immediate) actions should be taken in case of a possible conflict in the air.

A388


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Basically any object can be picked up on radar. With the help of transponders, specific flying objects can be identified as individual flights.

The radar in Omaha's control tower even picks up trains across the river from the airport and cars on the airport perimeter road.


User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Lehpron: By your reckoning, the following are some of the airlines that are in trouble:

KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
United Airlines
US Airways
Royal Jordanian Airlines
Air Tahiti Nui


KC Sim
Bangkok


User currently offlineBombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2259 times:

Note that he said "aside" from radar. He was talking about other planes seeing it in the sky, I think.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2236 times:

Simply put, it's not an issue.

Later,
Chris in Orlando


User currently offlineAduum From Australia, joined Sep 2000, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2208 times:

I think it could be an issue.... Having flown small planes around and when the tower tells you to visual something, it is often hard to find a white reflective plane.

I know they are a lot bigger, but all I am saying is when the pilots have to spot the other planes as in a holding pattern or something, the colour could be a factor which makes it a little harder.


User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 2199 times:

i can see we have some non pilots in here... as a pilot i want all aircraft painted international orange... more so in GA when you are opperating under visual flight rules, but even with heavy iron, visual identifcaition is still important... is it a huge issue? no... are other airlines as hard to see? yes... are there airlines easier to see ? yes...



User currently offlineBells From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 2200 times:

Aircraft painted white should be banned too. How can they be seen in cloud?

User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 2193 times:

bells is right.. ban white aircraft. air france take note..

Long live the red tails of NW


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (11 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 2183 times:

Korean is less visible in haze then dark painted aircraft. But to counter that it's more visible against dark clouds (say thunderstorm clouds).

As to black, the RAF experimented and found that glossy black aircraft are the most visible. Even more so than dayglow orange. That's why all RAF Hawk jettrainers were repainted glossy black.



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User currently offlineBells From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Except at night time.

User currently offlineLeo From China, joined May 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

As a child I was told CP Air painted its aircraft to be more visible in case of an unscheduled landing in the Arctic....

Perhaps all airlines should be TOLD to adopt this paint scheme IMMEDIATELY.


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User currently offlineCtrl_alt_del From Ireland, joined Feb 2001, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

The blue liveries of the Preussag group, i.e. Brtiannia, Hapag Lloyd should also be banned. I seem also to remember that in th 80's Air UK had an awful
blue colour scheme which was changed due to problems concerning visibility?


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Bells,
The RAF Hawk black trainers also have yellow flashes for night time viz.
Police helos in the UK have also adopted this livery.



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

Anti-collision, strobes, and position lights are there for a reason. They do the job.

User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Aircraft painted white should be banned too. How can they be seen in cloud?

You don't rely on visual sights when your in clouds. You can't see anything, doesn't matter what color.


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (11 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

"You don't rely on visual sights when your in clouds. You can't see anything, doesn't matter what color."

Then why have windows in the cockpit at all? We are in the 21st century, dump'em. I am sure there are drag penalties for having to design them in the first place. Seriously, not that I was not before, I figure that the visual perception that the plane is not there because of it's color should be looked into especially when it comes out of nowhere all of a sudden! But wait, isn't the ATC in the stone age?  Smile Pilots must depend on each other, and color matters!



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

The color of aircraft would have been an issue early last century. If any pilot RELYS on visuals, then he shouldn't be in that seat. Pilots must depend on each other to trust what their instruments and electronics tell them. The recent crash involving the TU154/757 show the importance of this. It's time we trust our technology.

User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (11 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Then why have windows in the cockpit at all? We are in the 21st century, dump'em. I am sure there are drag penalties for having to design them in the first place.

I was talking about when you were in CLOUDS. You DON'T rely on visual sights in those cases, otherwise, you would see a lot more accidents. I'm glad your not my pilot.  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineJustplanesmart From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 718 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

My understanding is that Northwest Airlines first began painting the tails on their aircraft red when they began flying to Alaska for the purpose of increased visibility should an aircraft go down in the frozen wastes.


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User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 1746 times:

I think CPAL (whose scheme I hold in the highest esteem), was done that way because they didn't have the time and energy to put toward painting the planes in a polyester plaid scheme.

It's not an issue with the KAL planes. If it was, pilots still have TCAS.



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User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (11 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 1738 times:

Maybe that why Air Canada's Zip is going to have such bright colors with the exeption on the blue whats also funny it that Korean and KLM I like because of the blue
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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 1736 times:

This is absurd! Airlines don't paint aircraft orange or red so they can see the wreckage of their downed aircraft. The purpose of an airline's livery is to ADVERTISE and/or develop a CORPORATE IMAGE easily recognizable and appealing to the customer's eye!

User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 12 months ago) and read 1722 times:

When you recognize some orange-painted airplane flys against you, you're already dead. Isn't it right?

25 Justplanesmart : What you said may be true today, Flynavy, but in the 40's there was much less thought put into advertising/image with regards to the livery. Most carr
26 Post contains links and images BWIA 772 : Well all I have to say is that this cant blend into the sky View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael F. McLaughlin
27 Ahlfors : BWIA 772, perhaps so, but it sure can blend into the coral blue waters of the caribbean. so if you were flying above it, maybe you'd have some problem
28 Post contains images 777-200 : Hmmm, I'd think you'd have to be pretty stupid to miss a 510,000lb Aircraft flying ANYWHERE
29 Flyingbronco05 : From the many ATC's I have talked to, they love AA's scheme cause it reflects great in the sun and moon and they hate UA's cause its difficult to see
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