Mas a330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4786 times:
Malaysia Airlines plans to increase frequencies and fly to four more destinations over the next two years.
Below are their plans of increase in flights (weekly):
New Delhi (From 4 to 7)
Madras (From 7 to 14)
Bombay (From 4 to 7)
Beijing (From 6 to 14)
Shanghai (From 7 to 14)
Hong Kong (From 16 to 21)
Osaka (From 4 to 7)
Wangon (From 2 to 7)
Bangkok (From 14 to 21)
Jakarta (From 28 to 42)
Phnom Penh (From 5 to 14)
London (From 18 to 26)
New York (From 3 to 6)
Auckland (From 5 to 7)
In addition to that, MAS are also eyeing new markets such as Stockholm, Bahrain, Boston, Chicago, Canada, Lahore and Chengdu.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4677 times:
Well, I would say the Government is behind this. An airline looking only for profit and trying to save money because the debts are too high would certainly NOT try to serve more destinations and to increase plenty of flights!
For me it seems, similar to TG, that the Government behind the airline tries to invest in a loss making carrier and to profit from other factors such as tourist going to Malaysia or at least stopping there, (stronger) economy etc.
I wonder in which term they try to realise this "plan". They don't even fly daily to PNH but want to increase from 5 to 14 flights a week...!? HAN & SGN is not even on the list, could be in fact that the Vietnamese Government doesn't want to give additional traffic rights to MH in order to protect the home carrier (VN). RGN to daily flights makes sense since this is going to be an important tourist destination within South East Asia but they will have to fight against TG very hard on this destination. JKT from 28 to 42, well, no doubt this has to be doing very well. The other Indian and Chinese destinations make sense for MAS.
The other thing I can't find a reason are 6 weekly flights into EWR and I'm sure OdiE will come back with its Idea to fly via Europe iso DXB, no doubt this would be a great idea and I would offer you GVA as the perfect destination between KUL and EWR.
What's about ARN? Currently there are code-share flights from Scandinavia via AMS (on KL). When did MAS stop ARN and is there a potential market for MAS?
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---------------------- Frequencies within Asean would be increased. MAS is exploring daily flights to Myanmar from twice weekly now and to Ho Chi Minh and Phnom Penh to 14 flights weekly. Plans are in place to penetrate the Indonesia-Malaysia-Thailand (IMT) growth triangle and BIMP-EAGA region and perhaps use Penang and Kota Kinabalu as hubs for these two areas respectively.
Could this mean PEN and BKI would be upgraded?
----------------------- The airline now has 26 code share agreements, and this would be expanded “selectively.’’ Similarly, it recognises that strategic alliances are important for the future and would work towards that in the medium-term.
----------------------- In placing greater emphasis on existing markets while exploring new ones, MAS is faced with having to create more seats to match increasing frequencies. This it can do by investing in more aircraft or better scheduling. The former option, however, may not be entirely economical given that MAS had in earlier years, pushed for long haul flights and built up its fleet requirements accordingly.
MAS to invest in more aircraft? Do they have the money?
Varig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1570 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4595 times:
I don't understand my government....
1-AF don't fly there
2- AF is giving MAS ground service (check-in, bags,etc...) at CDG1
so I don't see where the problem is
3- lots of pax at CDG arriving on MAS are coming from OZ or Bali where AF doesn't fly either!!!
AF TW AA NW BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ RG
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4589 times:
I could imagine that the Government of France and Malaysia made a contract giving both airlines the same (or at least similar) amounth of flights. That's what they have done with the Swiss Government. MAS had 3 flights and for the 4th they had to start Codeshare with Swissair and with this it they got the traffic rights for more additional flights. It could be similar with France. They want to keep the rights for AF, even if it doesn't look that they intend to start services into KUL very soon.
Indeed, I know what you mean with No. 3 and no doubt there are not a lot of passengers flying only from France to Malaysia it self but the only reasonable explanation for me is the one above.
I think PEN just got a terminal upgrade (which btw looks very nice and modern). BKI should be upgraded anyway because it already happened 2-3 times that when we landed at BKI out gate was still occupied. I think they only have 6 air bridges plus parking space for around 4-6 F50/DHT. Not that much for such an airport.
Well, I don't know much about MAS's liquid situation. But I don't think that with the money they got from the sell and lease back deal they only paid debts. If MAS would get new planes I think they will be leased anyway.
Well, I hope that your "Alliance" was not for Star Alliance since this is nearly impossible (and would be the worst solution at all). I don't know into which direction MAS wants to go but I think is has been too quiet since the talks with KLM that there could be serious planes to go into Wings. Sad that there is not the right time to build up new alliances, MAS could find very useful partners around the globe, without mentioning names
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OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4527 times:
Big plans I would say. It was stated that they were planning to have these new destniations by the next two years, although no time frame was given to the increased capacities to these cities. I really wanna know if they do have the aircraft to cater for these big expansion? Their B772 are almost fully utilized, so is their A330. WhenI was in KLIA last time, I could see a few spare B744 lying around, not in the contact stand, but rather at the remote stand. (Prior to the cutback in capacity, there weren't many of the B744 at the remote stand!) Unless they use B744 into these new long-haul destinations or the increase in capacity, I can't see MAS expanding that much.
By the way, MAS is also increasing their frequency to Beijing and Guangzhou from 6 times weekly to daily services as of January 2003. Taipei will be increase to 12 times weekly from 11 times weekly.
It's good that they are increasing their frequency into Hong Kong. Cathay currently flies 3 times daily into KUL. MAS should at least provide twice daily nonstop services from KUL, not to compete with Cathay, but complement its services with Cathay. Same goes for Bangkok.
MAS never did served Stockholm (ARN) before, although it's weird that you can find one of MAS' plane shots at ARN. As I had said before, I spoke to one of the inflight supervisor while I was flying from Melbourne to Kuala Lumpur last month and he told me that MAS were considering Berlin, Copenhagen, Munich and Stockholm as a stopover city en-route to New York. Maybe they could well inaugurate KUL-ARN-EWR route? If I am not mistaken, Stockholm's only services to EWR is only served by SAS on a B763. Maybe MAS could well take advantage of this situation and fly with a B777 on that route? I am just wondering, wouldn't Copenhagen be a better choice for a enw city instead of Stockholm. But one could argue that there are more Swedish tourist in Malaysia compared to the Danes, but what about in terms of business trade?
As for the new destinations, I would believe that Chengdu will be the first to be launched. Boston and Chicago would be a far shot. What about San Francisco in the west? Isn't that more important that the BOS and ORD? Would be great to see MAS serving Canada again!
As for Paris-CDG, the initial plan was to increase their frequency to 5 times weekly as of October 27, 2002. I think that the these two new landing rights into CDG was given by the French Authorities after the Malaysian Navy purchased two submarines from France. Probably something did not work out, and MAS did not get these 2 extra landing rights. It was also mentioned in The Star that MAS hubs in Europe at London, Frankfurt, Paris and Amsterdam will remain there as it is. (LHR, AMS and FRA are fine since they have at least daily services, but CDG, with only 3 weekly services is a hub?) Swissgabe had gave a very good explaination regarding MAS situation in Paris-CDG.
Mas a330: Sorry dude, don't take it in an offensive way, but I think the planned increase flights to London was to 21 weekly flights. Typo?
ZK-NBT: It was also stated in The Star that they are planning to increase their frequencies to Adelaide and Brisbane as well. Do you know if they are doing well on the BNE-AKL sector? Or rather, are they still doing badly on the AKl-KUL sector? Wouldn't passengers prefer a carrier that provide nonstop service into Asia or one-stop service into Europe, unless MAS fares are really cheap! But to a budget traveler, it would be great, stopping over in Brisbane allows them to travel in another country before poceeding to New Zealand.
Swissgabe: MAS indeed flies to PNH (Phnom Penh) 6 times weekly if I am not mistaken. But surprisingly, why twice daily to PNH? Is there really sucha big demand for tourism at PNH? the Vietnamese Government actually just gave the green light for MAS to increase their frequency to both SGN and HAN by an additional flight each, hence making SGN a daily flight and HAN being served 4 times weekly. I think MAS have the rights to fly into CGK five times daily now.
Do MAS even have plans to fly into Geneva? Are there sufficient traffic demands between GVA and KUL, as well as GVA and EWR/JFK?
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4473 times:
MAS recently unloaded a whole load of assets, liabilities/debt, and, most significantly, risk, onto a government holding company and here they are thinking of expanding again into fancy destinations that have little potential for profit. And this comes on the heels of the reversal of their decision to suspend flights to a bunch of unprofitable destinations. The Malaysian government must really think that the "social good" derived from bringing in extra travellers into Malaysia outweighs the cost of allowing their flag carrier to bleed cash. It's painful to see MAS - a carrier to such good service and potential - perenially underperform commercially. I wonder what MAS will do when they face their next cash crunch - they have little more of value to sell to the government. One comfort I do derive from this posting is that they are taking steps to increase frequencies to the destinations that are doing well. Hopefully this will help them build a stronger hub at KLIA.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11949 posts, RR: 37 Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4363 times:
Here's an option they should consider: Dublin!
One of Europe's fastest growing economies, currently no direct flights, but very healthy traffic between Australia and Ireland (1/4 of Aussie population of Irish descent) and MH would be able to make KUL the obvious hub for tourist, business and freight traffic between Ireland and Asia.
A 2-3 times weekly 777 service would not be unreasonable, given that traffic between Australia and Ireland alone is around 160-180,000 ppa.
The Irish airports authority would give excellent incentives too and there would be marketing assistance.
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4351 times:
First of all, I think MAS needs to increase their capacity within Asia first. Eg., flights to Bangkok, Hong Kong, China and India are underserved. While its important to expand their capacity for their intercontinental destinations, if Malaysia wants to make KLIA a hub, it also requires MAS to have more frequency to these regional cities, enabling passenger to connect from one city to another!
Ex_SQer: I think all these destinations are doing pretty well for MAS, but not so sure about those new destinations. Take London for example, their flights are all fully booked right up till Sept. 11 and Manchester, Sept. 21. I can't even make any alterations to my flight back to England within this month cause there's no way I could get a seat between now and mid-Sept. London is being served 18 times weekly and yet, their flights are fully booked all the time. Adding another 3 weekly flights to London will do more good than harm! Obtaining seats to Newark, NJ is almost impossible right now, and it's not easy even when you are flying Business/First. (don't know which sector is full though, either KUL-DXB, DXB-EWR or KUL-EWR)
United777: They previously served Vancouver via Taipei last time (suspended their service in 1998) and it was not viable due to the lack of fifth freedom rights at Taipei. Boston and Chicago was announced as the most favorable destination for MAS although I think Boston is a pretty near to New York if you ask me. But then again, there's a huge Malaysian/Asian population at Boston and New York. What I am surprised is that they have no intentions of serving San Francisco. Seattle i a pretty far shot if you asked me.
Kaitak: Yeah, they should consider Dublin, but then again, they have code-share agreement with bmi, which allow them to fly into either Heathrow or Manchester and then connect them to KUL. They could increase their frequency into Manchester and do a KUL-MAN-DUB run! Flights to Manchester are pretty filled up at the moment, and at certain times, it's only First that's available and they say they don't have high-yield passengers to/from Manchester!
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4317 times:
Yes I agree that most of the destinations that they plan on adding flights to are probably doing well and that they have potential for porfits. I was referring more to the fact they MAS still has a number of destinations that are unprofitable, and that they decided to reinstate flights to those destinations after announcing their withdrawal, and despite being in a precarious financial situation. That is poor decision making. But then, as Swissgabe pointed out, the Malaysian govt probably considers it a fair tradeoff.
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4309 times:
Oh, you mentioned LHR and MAN as being full. LHR is probably a reliable cash cow, but I highly doubt that they are turning a profit on their MAN flights there despite full loads. Yields are low out of MAN and premium traffic is thin. At the moment their flights into MAN are probably full of students and Brits returning from holiday.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4294 times:
Just to mention again, that Malaysia Airlines produced the highest yield in ZRH after LHR and as Ex_SQer has mentioned, I don't think too, that yields in MAN are really that high.
Well, the thing about PNH is that MAS used to serve it pretty often together with VJ (Royal Air Cambodge) as a Codeshare deal. I'm pretty sure that MAS has planes not only to fly into PNH, REP is already served my SilkAir via PNH. At the moment I doubt that two daily PNH flights could be filled but you never now and this could change within a short period.
GVA: Well, I think there would have been a big potential, especially front end. Most of the passengers had to fly from GVA to ZRH and then going on with SQ, LX, TG, MH or another airline to their final destination. With flights into GVA it would have been possible to bring them there with a stop less. I'm sure you have heard that TG will start services into GVA with 773 and a stop at ATH. Don't forget that there is a big traffic on the GVA-JFK(EWR?) between the two UN Centres. It is also the only Swiss long-haul flight ex GVA with a daily MD11 (which just btw. has been SR111 earlier). To be honest, I doubt that there are planes at the moment to operate into GVA.
I just have another question, I think we talked about it earlier. What was about VTE? Did Malaysia Airline ever fly there or did they only print it in their timetable? I would love to see MAS at VTE once very soon, they could put it together with Kunming or something like this. I don't like flying TG into VTE, I always took the night train to the Lao Boarder...
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OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4244 times:
One might still wonder why MAS resumed their flights to Buenos Aires, even more with a B744. In MAS point of view, they are the only sole air-service provider between Argentina and South Africa/SE Asia. Hence, they could probably capture the market well, although I have no idea how their flights to South Africa/Argentina is currently doing. Since now that the MAS is controlled by the government, I totally agree with Swissgabe that although MAS is bleeding, but with the influx of tourist, it could well cover up for the loss in MAS. If I am not mistaken, tourism is the third largest income provider in Malaysia. By the way, after the restructuring, MAS aims to have 23 million USD profits for financial year ending March 31, 2003.
Ex_SQer: LHR is definitely a cash cow. I don't think there is another destination outside SE Asia that is being served with such great capacity. 18 times weekly nonstop B744 flights will generate about 6800 weekly seats to London. Even flights to nearby cities such as Bangkok and Jakarta do not have that much weekly seats! I think MAN's traffic is Brits returning from their holiday rathe than students, after all, the student movement period starts around September.
Swissgabe: Heard you mentioning about MAS increasing their frequency to Zurich to 5 times weekly. Any further information regarding that? If Zurich is the producing such high yields, why do they have the intentions to suspend the service last October? The last time I flew KUL-ZRH-KUL, both of the flights were filled to the brim, and I was really surprised that they wanted to suspend their service last October!
Would the Swiss Authorities consider giving MAS fifth landing rights at Geneva for teir onward flight to EWR/JFK? I know earlier this year the Malaysian and Swiss Government signed a liberal air agreement between these two countries which allow carriers of both countries to have unlimited access into each other airports. (If I am not mistaken) So does this include fifth freedom traffic rights? According to MAS winter schedule, there's no change to Zurich services.
MAS did served VTE (that's if Vietanne, Laos you are talking about). they used to fly KUL-PNH-VTE for awhile before suspending the service. If am not mistaken, it was a twice weekly B734 flight. Actaully MAS did announce earlier this year that they were planning to fly into Kunming as well as Chengdu, but all I can see now is Chengdu.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4202 times:
I didn't hear anything new about more services into ZRH. I don't know if the market is big enough to fill lets say daily flights and I think that's why KUL is skeptical to put more flights into ZRH. The high yield is one and the cost to operate into ZRH is the other. I remember that PIA flew KHI-ZRH-JKF with a 743 for a while and they had traffic rights on ZRH-JFK and I would wonder if they wouldn't be granted to MAS because it would be in the interest of ZRH Unique Airport and Zurich it self to have more flights to KUL, the same goes of course for GVA too. Of course this 5th freedom rights would have been granted by the final destination too...
Thanks regarding the informations about Vientiane (VTE). If I'm not mistaken it was around 1994/1995 when MAS operated into Vientiane. I only know that at the old International Terminal in Vientiane which they now use to operate as Domestic one there is a big SilkAir advertising there but they stopped operating into VTE also a few years ago.
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Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4163 times:
SilkAir stopped operating into VTE mostly because of poor airport conditions.
Swissgabe: I'm a little surprised that you mentioned that MAS enjoys high yields out of ZRH. We all know there is a lot of front end traffic, but I would think yields - esp in Y - are diluted because there is a lot of ZRH-SE Asia capacity. SQ for example has a daily 744 and they struggle to fill those seats. CX had to withdraw....
OdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4070 times:
If anyone has been to Kuala Lumpur recently or flew with MAS recently, you could see that they are promoting their New York flights quite aggresively. If you have seen any of the latest MAS commercials, where they put something like Mr. Smith, left for New York on MH 90 on Thursday etc. on their inflight entertainment guide. Among other destinations I had seen using this commercial includes London, Australia, Tokyo and Shanghai. And if you are in Kuala Lumpur and around the Golden Triangle area, MAS actually advertise on the monorail. I had seen the "London-18 times weekly" monorail coach painted in red (suppose to depict the double-decker bus in London) pretty often and there's also a yellow color train which writes "New York-3 times weekly", depicting a NYC taxi. Great way to promote these destinations to the public! However, I don't understand why are they advertising New York in such an agressive manner where as there's not much advertising done on Los Angeles. MAS also advertises a lot on Shanghai compared to cities like Guangzhou or Beijing.
Swissgabe: Malaysia and the US have an open skies agreement, which allows carriers from both countries to have unlimited access to each other's airports. The thing is, MAS do not really rely on the Malaysia-USA traffic, as they probably rely on the stopover traffic as well. If the Swiss government allows MAS to have fifth freedom rights at ZRH or GVA, I am quite surprised if MAS did not take up the offer. The German Authorities actually offered incentives for MAS to fly trans-Atlantic from Munich. Is the traffic between ZRH/GVA-JFK/EWR poor? And if I am not mistaken, MAS is still the sole B777 operator at Zurich Unique Airport? Maybe they could do 4 times weekly KUL-ZRH-JFK/EWR flights? What beats me was the fact that Zurich flights somehow remains as a turnaround service! Probably this shows that there is a need for direct flights into Zurich.
As far as Vietanne goes, I think there are not much air service between Laos and other countries and there are not much industry as well as tourism is not that big in Laos at the moment. MAS even had the thought of suspending air services between Brunei and Kuala Lumpur at one time, and now they are only flying 3 times weekly on B734 and come October, it will be only twice weekly.
Ex_SQer: There are lot of front-end traffic between Switzerland and Malaysia? By the way, SQ have other destinations in Europe that feed into their daily services at Zurich where as MAS operate a turnaround service. Maybe if MAS operate to another destination from Zurich, the frequency could go up to 5 times weekly. I think MAS's planned service into Stockholm could well be a success. There are loads of Swedish company operating in Malaysia and not to mention, tourist as well. But the traffic from Malaysia to Sweden is not likewise. Sweden, after all, is pretty expensive country to visit, in European standards.