Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4262 times:
Having just read the story below on Yahoo News....
I don't know which is worse:
(A) the security guy who ordered the woman to try her own breast milk...
or
(B) this woman calling her own breast milk "very disgusting" !!!???
or
(C) both
IMHO, she should have just lifted her shirt up and squirted the security screener.... then again, she'd be arrested and charged with using a dangerous weapon!!!
A Long Island mother is fuming that JFK Airport security guards forced her to drink her own breast milk in front of other passengers before boarding a flight - to prove she wasn't carrying any dangerous fluid to wreak havoc.
"It was very uncomfortable and very embarrassing and very disgusting," said Elizabeth McGarry, 40, of the April 2 incident.
"I'm all for security and everything, but that was a little much."
McGarry, who first described her ordeal on Ron Kuby and Curtis Sliwa's WABC Radio show Tuesday, told The Post she was weighing a suggestion from Kuby, a civil-rights lawyer, that she sue.
An accountant who lives in Oceanside, McGarry was bound for Florida on a Delta flight when she was singled out for a random search before boarding.
After her baby daughter, Maggie, was taken out of her arms, a male guard went through her bag, and asked what was in three bottles, she claimed.
"I said, ‘That's the milk for the baby.' And he said, ‘You have to drink it.' And I said, ‘I can't, it's breast milk,' " McGarry recalled. "He said, ‘You have to drink it, or you can't get on the plane.' "
The guard refused her offer to daub some milk on her arm, and lick it off herself, she claimed.
"He said, ‘You have to drink from all three bottles," she said.
She did so, taking several sips from each.
Kuby said, "I'm all for random searches . . . but I do think the number of Caucasian, lactating mothers who have passed through al Qaeda training camps is negligible."
McGarry's story echoes that of a Dallas lawyer, Colleen Carboy, who told The Post that in January, she was ordered to drink from a bottle of breast milk that she was carrying onto a plane in Austin, Texas. Carboy said she refused, but was allowed to board after a female security supervisor intervened.
Sebastian Warren, spokesman for the U.S. Transportation Security Administration, which oversees all airport security screeners, said the agency issued a policy in recent months telling screeners that they should not order fliers to drink a liquid before being allowed to board.
Warren conceded, "We have had a few instances where people have been asked to take a sip of liquid they're bringing" aboard a plane.
But he said that current rules require only that any liquid be carried in a resealable container that can be sent through a scanning machine without spilling.
Flyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3838 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4208 times:
You heard about this from "The View" huh?
The security guards are/were just doing there job. These security guards just can't get a break. When they do there job, they get ripped on by passengers. When they don't do there job, they get ripped on by passengers.
Give them a break.
I think what they did was good. You should have to drink what you are holding.
Boeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2264 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4181 times:
I heard this on the radio news this morning. As a new father and the husband of a breast-feeding mother, I am absolutely outraged. I will be flying with family soon, and if that happens to us .... I don't know what I'd do. I am really mad about this. Normally, I'd side with security. But having a baby changes your perspective.
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4173 times:
What is "The View" ? (an airline magazine or something?)
I agree with you. The security was only doing his job.
The woman calling referring to her own milk as "disgusting" is really the funny part... (then again, I can understand it, as I had a major fight with my ex-wife when I refused to try her milk)
EWRvirgin From United States of America, joined May 2001, 358 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4116 times:
No, they weren't doing there job. If they paid attention to and were consistent with TSA directives and releases as they are issued then this wouldn't have happened.
The skies would be alot safer if they stopped with this random non-sense and used profiling not only to more effectively screen pax but also to speed up and streamline the whole process.
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4100 times:
I heard this Tuesday but couldn't find an article from a news source anyone would believe.
Security is totally out of control. These low life, high school dropout rejects actually seem to pull this kind of crap on purpose. I know this will probably start flames but I really don't care. I think the main reason these screeners do this is revenge. Many of them are from lower classes of society and many are minorities. They see the middle and upper classes going through the airports everyday and they know they do not have the economic advantage to do the same thing. Out of nothing but pure spite, they hassle honest Americans just to exact some measure of revenge.
Planefreak From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4090 times:
Sick, just plain sick! If you see a mother with a child, you know it is going to be milk. Common sense goes a long way this day and age.
Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 38 Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4077 times:
>>>If you see a mother with a child, you know it is going to be milk
Umm, no. I have no problem with making people prove their unsealed bottles do actually contain what they´re supposed to. But taking one sip or having the baby take one sip would have been sufficient, making that poor woman drink all the bottles is exaggerated.
I wonder what was highest, the room temperature in Celsius, the combined IQs of the screeners involved or their shoe size.
Hkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1219 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3974 times:
That's disgusting & totally unnecessary. The security guard was completely out of line. Ok, he was just doing his job & you've got to consider the situation from his perspective but he could've used some common sense. He still wasn't convinced that the liquid in the bottles weren't harmful when the woman offered to daub some of the milk on her arm & lick it off, so from his point of view, she posed a threat (as ridiculous as that sounds), what was he thinking?!
Shaun3000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 445 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3929 times:
Ignoring the fact that the security guards are being unnecessarially cruel, regulations do not require you to drink any fluid you bring onboard an airplane. Why, do you ask? Because I could be a doctor bringing semen, urine, or other liquids onboard for transport. Or I could be bringing insulin onboard for diabetese. YOu can't expect me to drink this stuff or take an injection if it's not time!
Furthermore, don't tell me that they're just doing their job and we are way behind security in other countries. I flew to Zurich, Switzerland a year and a half ago. My flight home was out of Frankfurt. The security there was VERY tight. They interviewed every single person before they were even allowed into the preboarding area. Once in the pre-board, you couldn't leave. They asked me all the standard questions and several that were not asked in America (And STILL aren't!) They quizzed be on the contents of my bag. THey asked who manufactured the electronic items. All kinds of questions designed to catch a terrorist offguard. A couple of us had drinks and you know what? Not a single person asked us to drink from the container in order to take it onboard.
Much of the "security" in the USA is nothing more than a twisted perversion of what it should be. The security guards in many of these stories are either too stupid to think rationally (not allowing a 2-inch GI Joe AK47 onboard the airplane.) or get a perverse enjoyment out of tourmenting others. (Strip-searching pilots, making people drink fluids they bring onboard, such as breast milk and pond water, etc.) I'm all for security but what we have, right now, does not make air travel safer. It just turns people off of traveling.
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4007 posts, RR: 23 Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3894 times:
Bronco said: >>You heard about this from "The View" huh?<<
Bobcat said: >>Having just read the story below on Yahoo News.... <<
Bronco said: >>The security guards are/were just doing there job.<<
TSA said: >>the agency issued a policy in recent months telling screeners that they should not order fliers to drink a liquid before being allowed to board.<<
Bronco said: >>These security guards just can't get a break.<<
I think they get plenty of breaks during the day.
Bronco said: >>When they do there job, they get ripped on by passengers.<<
Perhaps they should start doing it.
Bronco said: >>When they don't do there job, they get ripped on by passengers. <<
Well they didn't do their jobs, correctly here.
Bronco said: >>Give them a break.<<
When they start doing their jobs correctly, sure!
Bronco said: >>I think what they did was good. You should have to drink what you are holding. <<
Obviously the people incharge of this nation's security disagrees with you. So if they have shampoo...nail polish remover...colonge...they should have to drink it? According to your logic. The baby bottles were packed away...just like the aforementioned items would be. This was purely a decision made by a poorly informed security guard to have this woman drink her own milk. I'm sure he didn't make her drink the baby oil too...even though that is in a reusable container and could have any number of clear "chemicals" put in it...like hydrogen oxide.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
Flyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3838 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3866 times:
I didnt read the story that was provided, i was going off what was said on tv. Perhaps if i read the article i would have known that the milk was packed away.
I also meant that if something is drinkable then the people should drink it. I feel like a security guard now. So give me a break
Wn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3862 times:
Airsicknessbag,
I am going to say shoe size, but in American, lol. All jokes aside, this is completely bogus. A competent terrorist will still get through. I also don't think profiling will help much either. Here in the USa I can see that working, but only towards making a lot civil barristers much wealthier.
For those who say they are doing their jobs & their damned if they do/do not, etc... Well, maybe they should get different jobs then if they don't want to be called bullies. Because really, that's what the are. They offer absolutley no saftey increases, they add needless time to any trip & they trample all over rights supposedly guarunteed by their nation's constitution. Above all I find it curious that no one has yet realized that a state that paranoid may not actually be worth defending at that point...
Boeingrulz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 442 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3859 times:
Why was that mother feeding her baby something she wasn't willing to drink herself? What is so disgusting about human milk, especially straight from the source •) ?
Just wondering...
I flew last month and took 2 Diet Coke in the bottles through security, I got an espresso drink in the terminal and took both onto the plane. What does this tell you, except that I am addicted to caffeine? That security is quite lax, even in this new "more secure" environment. Careful and intelligent screening is important, not random milk drinking.
AZFAN From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 34 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3792 times:
If the screener wasn't comfortable with the woman and really felt that the milk was a threat why didn't he just call over a supervisor and let them make the call, he should of used discretion.
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3722 times:
Look on the bright side, at least all of the security screeners in this country are smarter than Anna Nicole Smith. As you know, she is nearly illiterate, according to the U.S. federal judge in his court decision papers.
99.99% of the security screeners I have encountered are very nice people, but as with any profession, there are black sheeps. Fortunately, the worst I have encountered was being asked to remove my socks at ORD a few weeks ago. They thought I had something under my socks, which turned out to be my big feet...
25 Dazed767: It also helps if the screeners speak english (bad expericence in MIA haha). From what I've heard, breast milk is pretty nasty. She shouldn't have had
26 Trvlr: I've been asked to take a swig from an open water/drink bottle when going through security before. And this was before 9/11. The woman was just carryi
27 AKelley728: Bobcat: I don't believe that the woman was calling her own breast milk 'very disgusting'. She was referring in general to the incident: uncomfortable,
28 Thumper: I happen to agree this was a sick incident but B757300 calling all airport security low life high school drop-out rejects shows your ignorance!I happe
29 Dragonrapide: What it comes down to basically is this: terrorists didn't take away your freedom (over the top security), it's the reaction of the US authorities tha
30 Clipperhawaii: For me terrorists are non existent because there is no definition for them. As I pick myself up off the floor and wonder about this statement, I must
31 Sudden: Boeing757/767 wrote: "As a new father and the husband of a breast-feeding mother, I am absolutely outraged. I will be flying with family soon, and if
32 J_hallgren: At least it was odd/unusual enough to make the news! And the talk shows so I suspect that this issue will be addressed SOON by the TSA as they are get
33 BigPhilNYC: Not to get gross, but would you taste your own splooge? Didn't think so. I agree with this lawsuit. (and I NEVER agree with lawsuits).
34 Hkgspotter1: It just gets better and better, 4 inch M16 being taken away from action figures, Jam closing a terminal and now this.
35 L-188: Does anybody remember way back about 11 months ago when I said that federalizing airline security was a bad idea..... Anybody wonder why I said that.
36 Indian_flyboy: I guess I don't belong here in this discussion , just felt I had to voice something , this is absolutely disgusting . Discretion is something common d
37 BigPhilNYC: The M-16 thing was NOT TUE. The story was taken form a tabloid!
38 BigPhilNYC: I take the back. I just read the story on BBC.
39 A330: Clipperhawaii, Do you have something against Belgians? You have to know that every "terrorist" is different, and have different causes. For one countr
40 Dragonrapide: Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon here A330. You voiced exactly what I meant. Question: is PLO a terrorist organisation? Answer no they are not. Why
41 L-188: Question: is PLO a terrorist organisation? Answer no they are not. Why? Because they are fighting to get their country back. Actually they never had a
42 A330: L-188, learn your history... You are not correct, in fact, a lot of Palestinians have been exiled and fled TOO the Kingdom of Jordania. These people h
43 Dragonrapide: "Ooooh freedom o-oooh freedom o-ooh freedom over me-e-e before I'ld be a slave I'ld be running to my grave and go home to my lord and be free be-e-e f
44 Triplebird: This wannabe 'security' is pure BS. Plain and simple. I would love for that screener to prove how making this woman drink her own milk made the flight
45 Zrs70: A330: Looks like you need to study history as well. Please explain what "Palestinia" is. Also, please tell us in world history, when a country has won
46 AC320: Look at the bright side. The mom could always make a fortune doing "Got Milk?" advertisments now.
47 Matt D: Don't you think that at 40, she's a little old to be popping out a kid and breastfeeding? perhaps that milk was a bit past the freshness date and star
48 Jaysit: ...Security is totally out of control. These low life, high school dropout rejects actually seem to pull this kind of crap on purpose. I know this wil
49 Matt D: I'm sorry, but I can't let this pass: Not to get gross, but would you taste your own splooge? Well that's an interesting, loaded question. I'll answer
50 A388: This reminds me of the KLM stewardess incident in Bonaire where all female cabin crew were internally inspected in front of male custom officials duri
51 A330: Zrs70, Invading a land without a proper army is not a war, it is called annexation, and that is what Israel has done with the West Bank and Gaza. In 1
52 Boeing4ever: These are the words of a song of the black slaves in the US a couple of decades ago, not too far away in history. Decades!? Incorrect. Lincoln freed t
53 Clipperhawaii: Well what do you expect Boeing4ever, they have a twisted way of thinking? I am still trying to figure out the "For me terrorists are non existent beca
54 Sleekjet: What a great discussion! Only on airliners.net would you find breast milk, slavery, splooge, and Palestinia all in one thread!
55 Bobcat: In a way, I also think there are no "terrorists" becuase they shuold be treated as common criminals.(murderers, rapists, robbers) To call them "terror
56 BR715-A1-30: "JFK Security Forced Lawyer To Drink His Own Semen!" Why would anyone be carrying their own semen on board an aircraft?
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(then again, I can understand it, as I had a major fight with my ex-wife when I refused to try her milk) 
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