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Frontier Drops Boston  
User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Here's a link:

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/020809/200208091300000481_1.html

Travis

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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1607 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

How despicable! How dare they defraud the good people of Boston this way! I bet it's all part of the AirTran conspiracy to screw Toledo and probably involves arm sales to the Chinese and the Kennedy Assasination coverup! Big grin

User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Frontier wasn't there based on pledged travel. They didn't screw Boston with false promises after taking all their money.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

I guess part of the reason was the fact that they had to lease gates from US Airways, since they had their gates taken away from them back in May for Delta's new Terminal A. I say this because they did mention a lack of space (or something to that extent). But yes, Frontier, AirTran, and ATA (our 3 low-fare airlines) are all there without incentives, so if BOS is not making money for Frontier, they should drop it in this environment.

Jeff


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Seiple: same question as in the other thread. What money did AirTran get from TOL? I don't believe that the travel bank came through, and FL received not a penny, which was why they pulled out.

User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

The full press release is more descriptive and expands on the reasons listed in the Yahoo blurb linked above.

“In an industry that is anticipated to post losses of over $3 billion during 2002, we must manage our business aggressively, and that includes making the hard decisions designed to obtain maximum utilization from our assets,” said Frontier President and CEO Jeff Potter. “Frontier’s service between Denver and Boston has not met our profitability expectations and that, coupled with ongoing facilities and ground handling issues, requires that we make this difficult decision. We have brought Frontier’s affordable fares to Boston for nearly five years, and we extend our thanks to our employees and the Boston community for supporting Frontier over the years.”

Apparently profitability alone was not the cause for the cessation of BOS-DEN service by Frontier. Difficulties with ground facilities and handling contributed.


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Lowfareair:

We had a discussion on this a couple weeks ago where some people associated with the Toledo Airport Authority posted to an AirTran thread on here. I will quote:

Regarding the travel bank. During mid 2001, AirTran approached the PA requesting funding assistance. This created the formation of a travel bank fund. AirTran requested $2 million for 2 years of service with a deadline for the funding to be in place for the start of 2002. In November of 2001, the travel bank had raised $800,000...following the commitment of Owens Corning. Following the OC contribution, AirTran revised their demands for the travel bank. They had now wanted $2 million for 1 year or they would pull service. OC, in a position of Chapter 11 (to avoid asbestos lawsuits), did not appreciate a company not being able to guarantee service according to the terms originally agreed to. OC therefore pulled their contribution of $500,000 from the travel bank and essentially caused the liquidation of the fund -- based off of AirTran's new found demands.

Source: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/883252/

Basically, there was a travel bank started for pledged travel over a two year period. It grew faster than expected, so AirTran got greedy and said "Well, if we can get this much for two years, let's see if we can get this much for just one year instead." They changed the terms after companies pledged service, and one of the companies had financial problems and pulled their pledge on the grounds of the changed AirTran terms. The travel bank decreased to only a portion, which AirTran then criticized for being too low a percentage of their demand (when in reality it was much higher when based upon the demand under which travel was pledged).


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

Then say that in the AirTran posts, not that they gave TOL "false promises after taking all their money".

User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Jason (Seiple) - I can not believe you have turned YET ANOTHER unrelated thread into an anti-AirTran one. Touche, mi ami.....you have successfully reached "Obsessive Compuslive Disorder" status!

Travis


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

Travis,
I'm sorry you can't read, but my discussion of AirTran on this thread has been limited to replying to a perfectly valid question by "lowfareair."

The fact that you continue to go after me gives you stalker status.  Smile


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Jason -

Two questions -

1) Do you sleep?

2) When did AirTran turn you down for a job?

You are so hostile toward the airline, and you are ALWAYS the first to respond to their posts.

Seriously though....

What is it exactly that you have against AirTran? And please desist with the "I'm just sick of everyone placing AirTran in a 'God-like' position" excuse. There was one young kid who held a candle for AirTran (BR715), and you ran him out of town.

Most people could care less about AirTran specifically, but defend low-fare carriers and their economic impact vehemently. However, I see very little of you on other posts regarding the discounters, but you flock to AirTran posts (in a generalized hostile tone I may add) like a moth to flame.

I honestly don't CARE, but your pattern intrigues me. Several psychologists may ponder your seemingly unnatural detest for an air carrier, that by your own admission, you've never flown.

So tell us Jason...what did they do to you? Let it all out....it'll be Ok, we're here for you.

Travis


User currently offlineSeiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Jason -

Two questions -


Alright, let's begin.

1) Do you sleep?

Yes, I do.

2) When did AirTran turn you down for a job?

They did not as I have never applied for any airline job.

You are so hostile toward the airline, and you are ALWAYS the first to respond to their posts.

Don't use an absolute like always unless you're sure in every single case.

What is it exactly that you have against AirTran? And please desist with the "I'm just sick of everyone placing AirTran in a 'God-like' position" excuse. There was one young kid who held a candle for AirTran (BR715), and you ran him out of town.

I have very little against AirTran specifically. Neither do many others. I don't agree with the statements made in relation to full-service carriers in discussions involving low-fare carriers. I love the double standard where it is acceptable to criticize majors like American, Delta, or United where any unfavorable discussion of AirTran, Frontier, Southwest, etc., is an abomination. Oh, and BR715.... I didn't run him out of town. He got banned for several violations of rules (including obscene statements about some airlines in his profile).

Most people could care less about AirTran specifically, but defend low-fare carriers and their economic impact vehemently. However, I see very little of you on other posts regarding the discounters, but you flock to AirTran posts (in a generalized hostile tone I may add) like a moth to flame.

There are very few posts started about discounters other than AirTran. This one was about Frontier, and if you read above (please, step away from your selective reading for a moment) you'll see that I did in fact discuss the issue at hand: Frontier. You'll see the first reference to AirTran (re: Toledo) was made by another user. You'll also see that I was specifically asked an AirTran-related question, to which I responded. The fact is that most discount-carrier discussion at present time that is worth responding to is centered around AirTran. There are a few National posts that usually say little other than "How much longer until they go out of business?" Same deal with Midway posts. I believe I posted on a Southwest post a few hours ago.

I honestly don't CARE, but your pattern intrigues me. Several psychologists may ponder your seemingly unnatural detest for an air carrier, that by your own admission, you've never flown.

If you didn't care you wouldn't have taken a few moments of your precious time to make this post. As stated before, I don't detest AirTran. I dislike the attitudes that seem to surround AirTran that are directed toward other carriers. Oh, I've tried to give AirTran a chance... twice. Once, Delta had the same price and seven more daily flights on the route than AirTran. I was able to find a time that worked better for me. I would have taken AirTran, and honestly wanted to try them out as I have no frequent flyer loyalty to SkyMiles, but I needed the extra hour that day and took the later Delta departure. Another time, I was also planning on going to Atlanta with a friend. He had to pay in cash, so we went to the Jacksonville airport. Another attempt to try AirTran.... Go the counter where there are three agents, only one occupied, nobody else in line. The agent told us brusquely to "come back when we're done checking people in." I didn't see them doing anything else, and no reason why we should come back 90 minutes later. We walked down to Delta and within ten minutes my friend had a ticket for fifty cents cheaper. Oh, and AirTran didn't have anybody in line when we left the airport. I don't hold the airline responsible for this, just one employee, nor is there any bad blood between me and AirTran over this. However, I do wish to try out AirTran but it just hasn't worked.

So tell us Jason...what did they do to you? Let it all out....it'll be Ok, we're here for you.

AirTran has done nothing to me. In fact, I am making another attempt to fly them in October when my travel times are more flexible. I have nothing against low-fare airlines except the hatred they seem to stir up against full-service carriers, and more specifically, the attitudes of many of the low-fare advocates on these forums.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Sad to see Frontier dropping its first East Coast destination. Hopefully in the future it will return in some way if they can find a better agreement with ground crew and maintenance in BOS, and possibly their own personal gate rather than leasing a US Airways gate (not likely to happen).

Anyways, looking forward to RSW and Mexico destinations!  Smile

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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