DeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0 Posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2039 times:
AeroWorld, a daily aerospace news magazine is reporting that at Asian Aerospace Boeing is to launch the 747X and 777X with several launch customers. Airlines have expressed that they want a large Boeing aircraft to supplement their current 747s. Airbus is getting nervous about the 747X which promises to match the A3XX economics, and executives now talk in terms of the aircraft's market appeal to push sales. Airbus is also scared about the 777X has it has been rumored that Boeing has revamped it and nearly improved performance to out match the A340ND by nearly 20%.
Wingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2580 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1830 times:
I hesitate to believe everything I read, but someone posted an interesting comment about the 777X the other day in regards to the Qantas decision expected this year. While some in Qantas appear to favor the 340, Boeing outlined some ultra long-haul routes (SYD-LHR?) where the 777 would complete its flight path up to 3 hours ahead of the bus. Is this possible? If so, this seems like an incredibly difficult performance advantage for Airbus to overcome. A businessman could check into a hotel, meet a client and complete a brief presentation before the bus even landed. Or better yet, be 2 hours into deep sleep.
Ravi From Singapore, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1817 times:
Qantas does not prefer the A340. I'm sorry to disappoint Airbus fans, but this is fact. Half of the order is also made up of A330s - an airplane the airline does not like in the slightest.
You've also mistaken what Boeing showed with the 777-200X for Australia-Europe. This does not entail SYD-LHR, but PER-LHR non-stop (something the A340-500 can do as well). The 3 hour difference is for Perth passengers not requiring to go via SIN to meet up with aircraft hubbing for services to Europe from the East Coast of Australia.
The 777X will cruise at M0.84. The A345/6 is guaranteed at M0.83. Over 8,000nm the 777X will therefore be a bit less than half-an-hour faster. But certainly not 3.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12957 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1745 times:
I haven't read that article, but I had always thought the 777X/747X launch was a matter of when, rather than if? And the Asian Aerospace show does seem like a very good idea. In any case, if not then, this year's Farnborough is in July, so that might be a good opportunity if things weren't ready to roll next week.
Someone said CX and QF were potential 777X airlines. Based on what, exactly. I visitefd "Fragrant Harbour" under PPRuNET and CX seems to have made up its mind on the A340-600.
A320 fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1730 times:
You will be interested to note that the original context of the posted text suggested that the 777X would be "20%" ahead of the A340NG, and NOT the A3XX-200 over the 747-400. Read it for yourself.
I don't need to be patronized by people such as yourself when obviously DeltaAir has either misquoted or added misinformation to the Aeroworldnet article. My original two questions are still yet to be answered.
In future before suggesting that I have "missed the point", it would probably be better for you to actually read the original post.
Ravi From Singapore, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1722 times:
Whilst I agree with A320 fan that Aeroworld mentions nothing with respect to any comparison between the B777X and A340-500/600 involving the number "20%", DeltaAir is not far off the mark.
Boeing literature suggests that the B777-200X will have 7.5% lower trip costs, and 15% lower DOCs than the A340-500 on an 8,500nm mission. The lower DOCs primarily come about because the B777-200X can carry more passengers in a like-for-like configuration.
Boeing also suggests that the B777-300X will have 5.5% lower trip costs and 17% lower DOCs compared to the A340-600 on a 7,000nm mission. This is mainly attributed to the -300X being able to carry 34 more passengers in a like-for-like configuration.
I stress, also, that whilst Boeing does project these numbers, the manufacturer DOES NOT guarantee them, nor should they. Each airline has a particular mission for any particular aircraft type and operating costs are decided upon that. And, regardless of what others say on this forum the airplanes really don't have to fly before we can correctly find out about them as they are derivative airframes.
Airbus literature suggests that A340-500/600 operating costs will be lower than the B777X, and I'm sure that in a certain configuration they would be.
As far as DeltaAir's 20% figures go, however... not far off the mark, but in reality about twice the size of what will be reality.
Boeing will not launch the 747X at Asian Aerospace 2000. Phil Condit has already said that the airplane is not likely for anything close to a launch before 1Q 2000.