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Finnair Adding 5th MD11  
User currently offlineFunFlying From Finland, joined Jul 2001, 186 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

I've heard that quite certainly Finnair will add a 5th MD11 a/c to its fleet this autumn or next spring, as well as add an 8th weekly flight to BKK and considering to re-open its flights to Osaka. Has anyone heard about it?
Additionally according to new info all DC9 aircraft will be retired before MD-80s...

FunFlying


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User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Quite interesting, do you know by whom this aircraft will be sold to Finnair? Maybe Swiss?

Daniel


User currently offlineFunFlying From Finland, joined Jul 2001, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

It has not yet been decided, most possibly it will be one of the newest MD-11s produced, likely Swiss etc...

Jens



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User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

3 Cheers for Finnair! In my opinion, one of the worlds best carriers. Excellent crews, in-flight-services, etc. LOVE this airline.



User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

FunFlying,

I doubt that they would get a SWISS aircraft since they are PW4000 powered while Finnair use General Electric CF-6's on their MD-11.


User currently offlineFunFlying From Finland, joined Jul 2001, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Ok, didn't know that Swiss uses PW-engines, anyway it'll be one of the newest produced.


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

This is interesting news indeed. Per Bill Harms' website, there are 3 GE-powered MD-11s in storage at Victorville. Perhaps Finnair is picking up one of these. It's good to see the passenger version of the MD-11 still around, instead of having all of them converted into freighters. Now if only Delta would pick up another MD-11..... Wink/being sarcastic Regards.


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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2189 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Once of the 3 GE-powered MD-11s at Victorville is a former VARIG ship that is destined for freighter conversion for UPS. So it's down to two CF6-80C2 ships, formerly of CityBird. It'll probably be one of these two.

User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

The CityBird aircraft are fairly new. One built in 1996 and the other in 1998 and they have no takers so I agree with AKelley728 it is most likely they will take on of them.

User currently offlineMD From Finland, joined Oct 2001, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

It'll probably be one of these two.

Finnair needs one or two MD-11 a/c its fleet. So Finnair is interesting those two GE-powered MD-11's, but first Finnair add 5th and maybe later 6th MD-11 a/c its fleet.




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User currently offlineJormy From Finland, joined Jan 2000, 231 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

FunFlying,

Where did you hear this?

I know Finnair has been looking for 5th MD-11 since spring. Even the ex-citybird MD-11 visited Helsinki, but Finnair wasn't very happy with it.

-Janne


User currently offlineFunFlying From Finland, joined Jul 2001, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

It was a friend of mine working for the company, a preliminary decision has been made just a few days ago.

-Jens



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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2189 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Jormy:

Why wasn't Finnair happy with the CityBird MD-11?


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Is the MD11 the right size of aircraft to get?

Since AY has introduced a fairly sizeable 32X fleet, one would have thought it might be looking at the 330s to replace MD11s; the 332, being smaller, but with excellent range, would allow it to add frequencies and maybe take out the BKK stop on flights to SIN and HKG.

What's the long term plan; presumably the new M11 will be leased for a relatively short period and then, all going well, sold to a cargo operator?


User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Finnair announced its intentions to serve Kuala Lumpur earlier and could this be a reason why Finnair needs a new MD-11?

User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

I think when it becomes time for Finnair to replace the MD-11's which wont be for a while the best bet would be the A345. That would fit perectly with the Asian cities they serve. One question though. Does Finnair still serve Chicago? The A345 would not be a good plane for New York or Chicago so it might be a combination of the A345 and the A333.

User currently offlineCFM-56 From Finland, joined Sep 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

I can't even remember if Finnair ever flew to Chicago?? In the 80s maybe or earlier,they haven't got any other American routes than New York in their regular network.I believe when the time comes for the MD11 to retire from the Finnair fleet which won't happen in this decade,they will go Airbus almost for sure..

CFM56



User currently offlinePyh From Finland, joined Oct 2001, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Kaitak, I think you are right. I think this is just a short term plan. Finnair's flights to Far East are doing well and they just needed an additional aircraft. And they have said that already in spring. Perhaps they will tell it officially on 22 August when they publish their Interim Report Q2.

User currently offlineJormy From Finland, joined Jan 2000, 231 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

AKelley728,

Err.. Well, I don't remember the details why Finnair wasn't happy with the ex-citybird MD-11, but If I remember correctly it had something to do with the seating configuration.

I don't think Finnair is looking for replacing MD-11 very soon. They are happy with their MD-11's and it can take more cargo than A330/A340.

-Janne


User currently offlineOH-LZA From Finland, joined Jun 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

As Jormy said, a passenger MD-11 can carry more freight than an A332/A333.
And freight is quite a good business for them on at least their flights to BKK.

Finnair has never served Chicago, currently they are only serving New York, and the flights aren't that profitable.

They have previously served at least SFO, SEA and LAX.

Alex


User currently offlineTransSwede From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 997 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Long-term I would think the A330-200 would be the best aircraft for Finnair, since it is a mid-size carrier. It has range enough to do HEL-SIN non-stop, which probably would be the longest route Finnair would contemplate flying in the future.

BTW, will Kuala Lumpur be server by a stop over in BKK, like HKG and SIN is?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

They used to serve MIA and SFO as recent as 1998. With the AA cooperation and Miami's ethnic ties with Finland, I would not be surprised to see them back in MIA in the next few years.


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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Can anyone confirm this?


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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

This will be good, I just saw the last of the 4 MD-11's in Hong Kong so a 5th would be good for all spotters !!

User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1671 times:


This may be a breath of air for the MD-11 life.Thanks Finnair !!!


25 Sabena 690 : I don't know a lot about engine types etc., but I find one of the ex-CTB aircrafts more likely. In which condition are those aircrafts? Don't forget t
26 Thai A330 : Could it be from Thai Airways ? since they have 4 in service at the moment.
27 OH-LZA : I'm posting this on behalf of a person related to Finnair but who doesn't have an username here. "I think Finnair WAS pretty happy about that CityBird
28 Post contains images Jormy : Alex, As I said, I don't remember the details. My logic says also that it should be fairly easy to change the seats, but dunno... I don't believe Finn
29 VH-ANA : Is that possible for AY to start fly HEl nonstop to HKG?
30 OH-LZA : Janne, Well, I wouldn't be too surprised to see "Golf Echo" joining Finnair's fleet... VH-ANA, I don't think it would be viable for them as they carry
31 Mas777 : Perhaps these extra 2 frequencies to Bangkok may proceed to Kuala Lumpur. OdiE is right - I remember Finnair stating its intentions to start flying in
32 Post contains links and images Mas777 : Here is a shot of a Finnair DC10 at Penang on one of its regular charters in 1991. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bill Blanchard
33 Kj76 : All and all i have flown all of Finnair's current MD-11's and i think it is an exellent choice for them. Head of Finnair, Mr Suila, is known for being
34 The Ticketor : Present reg. of the "new" MD-11 is P4-SWM, the ex CityBird a/c. Cabin will be changed to standard AY config. New reg will most likely be OH-LGE, but t
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