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Ibertrans BRU-FRA?  
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Hello guys,

I read today that Ibertrans (a Spanish carrier) is going to fly for a German Airline (the name is not known yet) from Brussels to Frankfurt to compete with Lufthansa.

Anyone has more news about this? What for a company is Ibertrans? Who could the German company be?

BTW, other new airlines who will start flying to EBBR are:

x Mahan Air (Brussels - Teheran)
x Air Switzerland (Brussels - Berne)
x BMIBaby (Brussels - East Midlands, a replacement for the BMI flights to E.M.)

Regards,
Frederic

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User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Sabena690,

Thanks for the good news.

> from Brussels to Frankfurt to compete with Lufthansa.

Nice that somebody has the guts to face up to Goliath!

> What for a company is Ibertrans?

No idea.


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According to the pictures database Ibertrans only seems to fly with EMB120 and SWM.

Regards,

Established02


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Thanks for your reply, Edwin!

Now I remember from where I heard there name, one of their EMB120's (the right one in the pictures you showed us) crashed some months ago.

What will the reaction of LH be? A price war?

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

As far as i know, Ibertrans is a freighter company that flies for DHL in Spain. I think they are also involved in the new low-cost operator SkyEurope - owned by Belgian businessmen - that started operations in Slovakia Bratislava last spring.

User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

These are cargo planes, so I would rather guess they are feeding Brucargo's DHL Hub, as DHL is massivley growing here at FRA and they do want to introduce new time definite products for medical shipments, which would suggest the EMB-120 flying a day-lite flight rather than one of the stationed 727s.
Did the article really say they'd compete with Lufti for a german Airline?
Not many german Airlines left....Germania imo has enough planes, dba is consolidating within itself....



"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."� Alfred Kahn, 1977
User currently offlineLeo From China, joined May 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Well I say.....serious competition LH versus a Embraer Cargo plane of Ibertrans (DHL)


Watch out for falling freight ........ tariffs...........................







User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Hello guys,

I have also questions on this. The biggest part of the pax going to FRA are connecting pax with the Star Alliance. How can they fill their plane to FRA??

Further, I am not a fan of posting articles or parts of articles, but I want to show you what I read, so here it is:

(From 'De Financieel Economische Tijd'):

...Het Spaanse Ibertrans zal Lufthansa beconcurreren op Frankfurt voor rekening van een nog niet bekende Duitse maatschappij...

Or translated in English:

...The Spanish airline Ibertrans is going to compete with LH on the FRA-BRU route for a not yet known German Airline...

Are those EMB120's convertable to pax aircrafts? Or maybe they are going to lease a pax aircraft...

Any suggestions?

Thanks and regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Really no-one with more suggestions or so?

Thanks,
Frederic


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

The airline planning to start flights on this route is the long awaited start-up Berlinjet.

BTW, Swift Air is involved in SkyEurope, not Ibertrans.



Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Don't bring up that BerlinJet thing. It's a proven hoax. I know one of the
'start-up' guys from my High School and believe me he wouldn't be able to start an airline, he's happy to tie his shoes.



"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."� Alfred Kahn, 1977
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Thanks, Thomas!

I never heard something of 'Berlinjet', does anyone have some info about this airline?

Thanks,
Frederic


User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

> Mahan Air (Brussels - Teheran)
> Air Switzerland (Brussels - Berne)

Sabena 690,

Do you know when those two airlines will start their new operation to BRU?
Perhaps as from the upcoming winter season on 27/10/02?

Regards,

Established02


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

Hey Edwin,

Mahan Air: I don't know the exact dates, but I saw already some cancelled flights of this airline at Brussels. So it will not last long anymore I think.

Air Switzerland: Normally the 15th of July! But this airline is some kind of VG Airlines 2. Changing their planns the whole time, no structure, no real business plan, ... There is a chance that they are bankrupt before the first flight. Anyway, there is already one (or maybe more in the meantime) Do 328 painted in their colours.

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineSAA-SAL From Belgium, joined Nov 2000, 356 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Mahan Air!

Great news. Any idea what material they're using and what frequencies. TU-154?



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Hey SAA-SAL,

Equipment is an Airbus A310.

No more info about frequencies (I thought once a week?)

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1133 times:

all I can ad to this discussion is that these companies have asked slots. Applying for slots not always mean that you start operations... You have to ask slots months in advance and many airlines change ideas in this fast moving industry. Look for example what we have seen with all the African companies who intended to start flights too Brussels...





User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Thanks for the info, Pressclub!

BTW: I saw today again a flight of Cameroon Airlines to BRU with a B762. Long time ago I saw one on biac.be... Wasn't this airline also in trouble?

Thanks and regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

> Wasn't this airline also in trouble?

It doesn't look like.

Below you can find an interesting article on Cameroon Airlines' operations at BRU.

Cameroon Airlines propose un nouveau vol tout confort, avec escale à Douala, à des tarifs très intéressants
http://www.dhnet.be/index.phtml?content=http://www.dhnet.be/dhjournal/archives_det.phtml?id=149049


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

Thanks for the info, Edwin!

Do you really know every single article published by a newspaper on the net? Big grin  Wink/being sarcastic

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

> Do you really know every single article published by a newspaper on the net?

I haven't read a decent book in ages, but yes, I do like those online newspapers.
Fortunately, I have ADSL to speed up the searching process!  Big grin

Edwin


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

BTW: the news was again confirmed today in the aviation newsletter of forum member Thomas Jaeger.

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

And now a friend told me that also Air Berlin would be involved in the deal!

Regards,
Frederic


User currently offlineILS.25L From Belgium, joined Nov 2000, 153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1026 times:

Guys,
Mahan will surely use an A300 or A310 for their BRU-services. I hope ever to see the T154 at BRU but don't think to much about it.
Mahan already have slots at BRU but all flights till now are cancelled and no start-up date yet known.
Air Switzerland : I hope to see them at BRU with the DO328.
Ibertrans flies parcels from BRUCARGO to Spain and not in particularly for DHL. DHL has its own feeder namely Swiftair with B727, Spanish registered. Ibertrans flies normally for several small parcel- and courriercompanies who are located at BRUCARGO. All material is consolidated and flown to Spain.
Another point : If Ibertrans wants to compete with Lufti, they will certainly need bigger aircrafts than the EMB120.
Regards,
Karl


User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1002 times:

Ibertrans does not fly for DHL.
However, I do know a person who was captain with them and refused to fly any further for them due to some serious "maintenance and safety issues"...

They are rumoured to plan feeder work for Delsey, but I really hope that this will NOT go ahead.

DHL uses uniquely Swiftair in Spain.

ps. Pressclub, Delsey should really give your paper to the pax. instead handing out "Het laatste nieuws"... Quality airlines need quality papers!



Shiek!
User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 983 times:

For which 'small' couriers does Ibertrans fly? WQXS?


"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."� Alfred Kahn, 1977
25 Pressclub : A 330, You are right I confused Ibertrans with Swift... Mea Culpa. Thx for recommending my newspaper. Do you know me? Do I know you???
26 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Do they really serve 'Het Laatste Nieuws' on board of VG Airlines flights? Yeah, recommend your newspaper Pressclub!! I even could choose between Het
27 ILS.25L : ClipperNo1, With small courriercompanies, I mean TBC Halbart, Trans Africa, OCS and a few more small not really international known companies. I am no
28 Post contains images A320-Addict : On the first flight to LAX there was 'De Zondag' on board.... It's a free newspaper that everyone can get at his bakery on sunday!! I thinks pressclub
29 A330 : Pressclub, No, You do not know me personally I think, but I do read your articles...! At first, on the forum, I supposed that you were a hoak, but boy
30 Pressclub : Thx A 330. I hope to fly one day with you. I really hope I can do so
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