Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2818 times:
Those two China Airlines A340 pilots who took off from
Anchorage's taxiway earlier this year have just been
informed of their punishment. Taiwan aviation authority
has suspended them from flying, 8 months for the captain
and 7 months for the co-pilot. The official conclusion was
that they have "committed gross negligence" during the
According to the news release, it was the most severe
punishment ever handed down by the Taiwan aviation
authority. (other CI pilots had paid the ultimate price
for their mistakes... the ones on those two A300s that
crashed a few years ago)
One new piece of info that just came out was very scary.
When the Airbus A340 took off from the taxiway, its
main landing gear had made tire marks on the snow berm
at the end of the taxiway. If the A340 had lifted off just
a few seconds late, it would have no doubt collided and
crashed into the freezing water... The lead investigator
said "in that case, we would have a major disaster on
our hands"(what an understatement).... There were
252 souls onboard(including the crew) at the time.
China Airlines said the pilots will be suspended during
the 7 & 8-month period, WITHOUT pay. Does this mean
the pilots will go back flying A340s afterwards?
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2749 times:
This was the original news article from January...
"This is going to be seriously ugly. Call the crash phone," declared the
tower controller as a China Air A340 roared for takeoff down taxiway K
instead of runway 32 at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport
(ANC) this past Jan. 25. The case is a twist on the runway incursion
problem - taxiway incursions. With 254 passengers and crew aboard, the
airplane's wheels left 4-inch deep grooves as the airplane barely
cleared a snow berm and continued on its flight to Taipei.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29513 posts, RR: 59 Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2544 times:
We knew about it dragging the mains through the berm at the end of the runway right after it's happened.
What saved the pilots ass is that it was a cold and clear winter night when it happened. There is nothing like a negative density altitude when you do something stupid.
The aircraft was allready too far into it's run when it was realized what had happening for tower to stop it. Those things don't stop on a dime. If tower had tried to stop it chances are really good that it would have had a high speed overrun.
BTW: I was working about two centimeters left of the start of the jets run that night. I didn't know anything had happend untill the next day.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2367 times:
Associated Press News
Taiwan grounds three jet pilots over take-off flap in Anchorage
Mon Aug 19, 2:58 AM ET
TAIPEI, Taiwan - After months of investigation, authorities on Monday ordered three China Airlines pilots to be grounded for mistakenly taking off from a taxiway instead of the runway at an airport in Alaska.
A China Airlines Airbus 340 carrying about 250 passengers and crew took off from a taxiway in the wrong direction at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport in January.
The jet's wheels scraped a snow berm as it lifted off at the end of the taxiway. Air traffic controllers said they didn't try to stop the aircraft because they feared it was going too fast.
Taiwan's Civil Aeronautics Administration has ordered the pilot and the captain grounded for eight months and the co-pilot seven months for the error, said director Billy Chang.
China Airlines, Taiwan's largest airline, had suspended the pilots from flying since the incident pending the investigation, officials said.
The airline has also ordered all its pilots to reconfirm with controllers that they are on the right runway before taking off, they said.
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2350 times:
The last paragraph in the AP article above is somewhat
disturbing... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe
it's standard practice to check with air traffic controllers
each time to see if you're on the right runway.
LZ-TLT From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2344 times:
At least, they WERE convicted. I wonder if they noticed, they were rolling down the wrong taxiway for takeoff and why did they not abort?
To me, the incident is similar to the CI 747SP which plunged some 30000 ft down after the crew didn't realize a failed engine and allowed the aircraft to enter a spin. As some investigation reports said - the crew failed to prevent the incident(which was 100% preventable and somehow even predictable), but was extraordinary good to recover. Well, this 747 crew wasn't convicted. Looks like CI and/or the Taiwan Aviation Authority is starting to re-think their policy of "not judging the winners", even when the winners are to be judged. Just hope this turns for good ends - learning the lesson from such incidents rather than from fatal crashes.
Back in the 60's, there was similar situation with Balkan - a Tu-134 from Paris to Sofia suffered an engine failure in cruise climb. Several restart attempts failed. The captain decided not to turn back to Paris or the nearest enroute airport, he headed for Sofia and brought the a/c safe to its destination. The ENTIRE flight crew was suspended and after investigation, disciplinary action was taken.
Apuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3030 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
This is indeed a serious incident. I just don't get it, how on earth it's possible to take off from TWY K instead of RWY 32? TWY K's heading must be something like 240 degrees (since it's parallel to RWY 06L/24R and 06R/24L), and RWY 32's heading is something like 320 degrees...
I just wonder, isn't it pretty obvious to check your heading once in a while? And by the way, I think there are lots of ways to tell the difference between a TWY and a RWY? I'm not aware of the exact situation at Anchorage, but I think that, even there, TWY's are clearly distinguishable of RWY's.
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
China Airlines is deciding whether or not to fire these pilots.
However, final decision isn't expected for a few weeks.
These CI A340 pilots remind me of the KLM 747 captain
(Zanten or something) who took off from Tenerife's runway
without clearance in the fog. The KLM 747 collided with
a Pan Am 747 halfway down the runway and over 500 souls
If memory serves me correct, captain Zanten was the
senior 747 instructor for KLM at the time, with more than
10,000 hours in 747s.
Tsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 16 Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2070 times:
Bobcat - I dont think he had 10,000 hours in 747s considering that the 747s were pretty new back then. Considering the first 747 was born around 1969, and the crash took place in 1977. Perhaps 10,000 hours of flight time yes.