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Would US Airways Be OK Without The A330  
User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1753 posts, RR: 2
Posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
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I just want opinions, not an A v. B war. Would US Be OK if they hadn't been the first US operator of the A330?


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User currently offlineOO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

What do you mean?, that US Airways might be under chapter 11 because of operating the A330?! Don't really get it, give us some facts please...  Confused


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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4466 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

What do you mean by 'OK?' Do you mean financially OK? US Airways' financial problems are systemic and date back to decisions made over a 30-year period. Decisions which have nothing to do with the A330. Probably the biggest factor is the cowardice and/or complacency of CEO's Edwin Colodny and Seth Schofield. They failed to engage unions over excessively high-cost labor agreements, and failed to rationalize the fleet after the 1987 airline buying binge (PS and PI).

Indeed, sadly, the very existence of the airline could be called a financial problem. Its constituent parts (Allegheny, Mohawk, Empire-Piedmont) went un-bought by the network carriers over the years, because they didn't want medium-size Northeastern routes. Easier money was to be made elsewhere.

From what I have read, an aircraft of the A330's size was well-justified for certain transatlantic routes, when US made the decision to purchase them. Excatly how well the routes are doing with A330's now, I don't know, but I haven't read anything to suggest that the routes are failing badly. US has maintained the bulk of its European routes, and use of A330's, since 9/11.

Jim


User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

No. UsAir's problems are related to a lack of fleet comonality, an awkward and unprofitable route structure, labor issues, airport problems, bad management, etc.

Not having the A330 would have helped with commonality, but not by much. Fleet planning is important, but routing and labor issues are the big airline killers IMHO.


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

How many more times do we have to hear ...

Would US Airways have been OK if they had not gone AIrbus !!

This is stupid.


User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

I think what he meant by this was... Did US Air really need the A330? Maybe they could have handled those trans-atlantic flights fine with 767s? Maybe it was an unnecesary aircraft to buy. They could have made use with the 767s they already had, or maybe opted to buy 764s (althought they'd still be buying an aircraft). I don't think the fleet comonality was an issue with the A330 since the A320 family planes have such similar cockpits.

-aio86


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24810 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

I think the question asked is similar to something like:
Would BA be better off financially if they had not chosen the 777.



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User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

calm down folks,

what rj777 is pointing at is an obvious fact. so many airlines that ordered lotsa airbuses went down or nearly did. examples: sabena, swissair, LTU, air inter, AOM, USAir, united. and wait what is going to happen with SAS. what about LH? they soon will have an almost all airbus fleet. this is going to kill them. but wait... perhaps the airbus countries will not only continue to build aircraft with taxpayers money. why not subsidise airlines too?

rabenschwarz




User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

... I do believe your posting was meant as irony...but be careful how you put it, a lot of people won't understand this but instead might be willing to believe you actually mean what you said.
Maybe a little banner saying "Attention!! Irony!!!!!" would be a good choice...

regards

Andreas



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User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

ok, attention, some irony was involved.

but still. look how lufthansa is being in financial trouble because of all those nasty airbuses.

keep on smiling, r.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Guys,

What a load of cobblers.

The question should be, what if US Air had actually changed their entire fleet to Airbus family aircraft. Perhaps then fleet commonality would have not been an issue.

You have to remember that having a 737 / 767 fleet doesn't mean jack shite if you have a 737 / A330 fleet. Now if you have a A320 / A330 fleet then at least there are some synergies there.

Airbus has got it all over the place.

mb

A new * of - reality??


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

...I thought so *ggg*, but let's not get into a discussion about the financial status of all-boeing carriers, that would be extremely hazardous to the mental health of so many members of this Forum...btw, that was meant ironically, too.

Regards
Andreas



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

I think if US Airways had been the second US airline to take A330s, they would have made big profits with them. Only second and fourth carriers to take aircraft can make profits.
Look at the B777. UA had it first, BA had it third. Both are facing deep red losses...  Wink/being sarcastic


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

just read in the paper how well delta is doing.they are a boeing operator,now that little theory is right out the window.

ual 777 contraIL


User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Sure, and Pan Am as well as Eastern went bankrupt mainly because they operated a bunch of Scarebus aircraft!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24628 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2155 times:
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Rabenschlag:

"Lufthansa is in financial trouble..."

That's an odd statement to make on the day that Lufthansa has reported a profit of 332 million Euros - almost double the estimates.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineNational_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

C'mon guys, what a bunch of B.S, Us Airways has some of the highest costs in the industry, they are basically a huge regional carrier. A330s aren't the issue. Us Airways' A330s are one of the best ways to get across the pond, with great inflight entertainment.

The A330 is not a major reason for Us Airways' financial troubles. The new low fare carriers like Southwest and Airtran are a much bigger problem for US Airways.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Yeah, if an airline is in trouble, it's always caused by the Airbusses.
Look at SriLankan: their two A332s, the A340 and the A320 were blown up because they were Airbus aircraft. If SriLankan had had Boeings, the Tamil Tigers would have never attacked them. Anybody knows that...


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

lol!

cheers, r.

"The message you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand. You should think long and hard before posting a message in this forum and make it detailed and a valuable addition to the topic discussed."

this is true. it does not add anything but the appreciation of someone's humorous exaggerations. there must be room for that too as life outside this forum is serious enough, isn't it?




User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 408 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

I guess someone forgot about JetBlue?

User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Cuz everyone knows all those airbuses have ruined Jetblue...

User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2004 times:
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What I meant to say was, would US have been better off if they didn't spend all that money on A330's or gotten a small number of them?

Just a little clarification. I knew this would happen.

RJ


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1936 times:

RJ777,

If I understand correctly, your question is whether the investment in the new aircraft type and number of aircraft screwed up USAirways. Is this correct?

My opinion: no. It would not have mattered if they bought A330, B777, or no large widebody aircraft at all. US is bleeding because of high labor costs and low revenue and not onerous payments on their aircraft. Their capital costs probably are in line with those of other carriers.


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 1862 times:

I don't think the fleet has much to do with it. USA Today or the Boston Globe(i forgot which one as both had similar articles) said that USAirways employees are some of the highest paid. I think if the employees were to take a mid-sized pay cut(including the top brass too), money could be invested back into the company and that could help stop the bleeding.

blink



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