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Garuda 744's Tail Diff. Than The Rest Of The Fleet  
User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2715 times:
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Hi all,

Why is GA 744 tail scheme different than the rest of the fleet? Here are some photos...

747-400

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747-200
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The "wings" of the bird in the 744 are sort of sharp but the "wings" of the 742 are smoother. Huh?

Cheers
Je89

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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

No Idea, never noticed that before.

How did you notice that ??


User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2685 times:
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By looking at Garuda photos, I knew something was different.

Je89


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Maybe Garuda doesn't give a s..t about cooperate design...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2668 times:
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Maybe Garuda doesn't give a s..t about cooperate design...

Maybe your right!  Smile


User currently offlineSas a340 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

I don't really see a diference.

Regards, sas a340


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

I don't see a diff too... is really looks the same.


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User currently offlineLh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
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open your eyes, there IS a difference!

The wings of the bird-icon on the tail is what it's all about. On teh B742 the angle where the wings move fro thick to thin is much smoother. On the B744 the angle is very hard (the "turn area" is also much smaller on the B744 as it's on teh B742)

regards  Wink/being sarcastic
Mario
LH526



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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 2531 times:

Maybe its just the angle, maybe they modified the logo when they got the 744 and GA werent particular about updating it on the rest of the fleet? I prefer the old 'smoother/flowing' wings of the Garuda logo, as on the 742. Enlarge the 742 pic, theres definitely a difference. Any Garuda people here who could clarify?


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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 2526 times:

I must admit after looking at it carefully it does give me a kind of impression that it's a bit different than the other B744s. Pardon me if I'm wrong here but there can't be any difference.

It's just the same as me.. Qantas B744s always gives me the impression that they are a little larger than the others especially compared to BA's.

Just the colors that affects us maybe?  Smile



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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

No Mr.BA, the logoo has definitely been modified a bit.


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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Very subtle change, hardly noticeable as you can see on this 744. Enlarge for better view.

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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2346 times:



It could be that this particular aircraft has a slightly different paint
scheme on the tail. This aircraft came from VARIG and was prepped
for GARUDA at Mobile, AL. The other B747-400s came direct from
Boeing, and as such would conform to the company standard.
Dont forget GA leases alot of different aircraft for the HAJJ, so its
also possible you have seen one of these aircraft at various times.



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Never notice that before. But perhaps the 744 is considered by Garuda as their flagship which would explain why the tail is a little different.


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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

Garudarod might have a point.
I know in the previous livery, NZ 744 ZK-SUI (also an ex Varig aircraft) had a very slightly different tail design to the rest of the 744 fleet.


User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2269 times:
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How many 744s does Garuda have?

User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2267 times:
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Oh yeah, aren't all GA 744s tails like that?

User currently offlineSas a340 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

They've got 3.

Regards,sas a340


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Certainly seems like a very slight difference to me!

By the way when are GA going to replace the 742's?


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Maybe the logo-file send to the company painting the aircraft was very rough, so the painters had to take a little bit of freedom or were ? As a creative director I run across this problem sometimes, that clients don´t have proper files of their own logos.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 2144 times:

I must have too much time on my hands...
Forget the Hajj ones, they're bound to come up with "funny logos"...

All the 744s have a "hard corner" on the feathers... (PK-GSI having the "stiffest" corner in my impression, Garudaord maybe correct in it's "unique" origin being the culprit but the 744s do have a different tail...)
All the 742s, 733/4/5s, DC10, former MD11, A300 (B4 & 600s) have a "smooth corner" on the feathers
All the A333s have something between the 744 and 742 style logos.

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Photo © Gerardo Dominguez


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Photo © Ian Moy


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Photo © Je89 W.


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Photo © Tsung Tsen Tsan


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Photo © Y. A. Kueh


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Photo © Brian Wilkes



Only the 744 is different... see how "straight" the 744 feathers are... PK-GSI is "too blatantly different!"...
I have to call GMF for an answer... hope they don't hang up!

Mandala499



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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 2134 times:

ZK-NBT,

The DC10 is slated for retirement before the 742s. The delay in the 777 delivery is limiting GA's long haul network as the DC10s don't venture that far out (PER is NOT far !  Smile ) DC10s are supplementing heavy domestic route (CGK-UJP-MDO and CGK-DPS), but this route will be filled by the 734s GA is getting as part of the delay in 777 delivery compromise.

Nothing is known of the fate of the 737-700 orders (what's it gonna replace etc)... GA is looking for 734 size planes. Maybe the 737-700s will replace the -500s into smaller airports... if the runways are strong enough for the -500 destinations!

Mandala499



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Cool so the 742's will be around for another 3-4 years at least probably.

User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 2059 times:
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When will GA retire the DC-10s?

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Je89W,
I expect DC10s will be out in 2006 - 2008 when the 772s come in.
Some DC10s will be out of service possibly as early as end of 2003 when the extra 734s come in.

Mandala499



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25 ZK-NBT : 734's for DC10's?? I spose though the 10's are only used on short haul now so maybe 2 734's for 1 DC10 or something. Those DC10's are 23 to 26 years o
26 Greg : Probably just a stencil anomaly where the aircraft was painted. It's hardly noticeable.
27 Post contains images Je89_w : Yes, then I can catch the DC-10s next year when I'm in Singapore!!! Je89
28 Mandala499 : Je89W: Yes, DC10s replaced 734s for domestic. This will add frequency on the once daily CGK-UJP-MDC, as Lion and Mandala have launched a lucrative 2x
29 Post contains images Backfire : I really wish my life was so complete that minor differences in Garuda's tail fin logo were a priority issue...
30 Digby : Not sure if anyone noticed, but the winglet logo on -GSI is similar to the tail logo on -GSA. Therefore different to it's OWN tail. Albeit only slight
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