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DL/CO/NW Expected To Announce Codeshare On Friday  
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Strong rumors over the last few days appear to have reached the ears of the media as well. Delta, Continental and Northwest will initially codeshare on each others domestic routes, followed by a gradual codeshare on international routes that will lead to a more comprehensive alliance also encompassing KLM and the Skyteam carriers.

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/020822/1949000875_1.html

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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

WOW!!!! If this passes the regulatory process SkyTeam will surpass both Star and Oneworld.

User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

For one thing, KLM/NW's World Business Class, CO's BusinessFirst, and DL's BusinessElite products seem like a good fit for each other....


User currently offlineBobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

This may also be good news for folks who have a lot of NW or CO miles... They may no be able to redeem the miles for travel on AF's Concorde.(just like Delta members have been able to do, for 160000 miles)

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

How many miles do you have to fly to earn a mile?It must be much quicker in First and business but I have no idea about the ratios.
Cheers


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

Well, actually that I do use with the skymiles on Delta. This is best airline is Delta. Big grin This is my favorites with one as for myself. So now, I had with 61,875 skymiles as for myself by fly on Delta. Well, goodnight!

User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Interesting. DAL's pilot union must approve any domestic codeshare agreement and they have not. DAL management is going to brief the DAL MEC at a MEC meeting in the near future on their desire for a domestic codeshare. With 900 furloughed pilots and the prospect of more job losses because of a codeshare the odds are very long on an ALPA approval. And no ALPA OK = No codeshare. I hope Leo has a plan for getting those pilots back to work soon.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

DAL's pilot union must approve any domestic codeshare agreement and they have not

Not only that, but NWA ALPA also needs to approve the domestic codeshare. CAL ALPA is the only one of the three that doesn't have suych a clause in their contract, but they are up for renegotiation soon too.


User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Of course, the quickest way to get the pilots back into the planes would be to get the company PROFITABLE. If a code-share alliance would help that happen quickly, then Delta could expand its schedule more quickly. CODESHARE AGREEMENT (could =) NO MORE FURLOUGHED PILOTS.

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

It will be interesting to see if Delta ALPA will again demand a voting seat on the company's Board of Directors in exchange for the domestic codeshare or if they'll settle for bringing the currently furloughed pilots back to work.

If DAL and NWA and their respective unions can hash things out, this could be the most comprehensive alliance available to U.S. based flyers.



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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

In all honesty, though, the whole thing could be ( I have no information on this, this is only conjecture ) a way of screwing the UAL/USAirways deal with the regulators. Faced with a two huge codeshare agreements, regulators might just choose to reject both.



User currently offlineMD88CAPTAIN From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

I doubt that bringing the furloughees back will be enough. DAL and ALPA will go back to the arbitrator on OCT 31 to decide the questionas to whether Force Majuer still exists. The company is anticipating losing this time for many reasons. The interesting thing is that the arbitrator has said that the all the furloughees will have to be brought back at one time if Force Majuer is over. I think ALPA is anticipating this ruling so it is very possible that the furloughees will be back in some capacity by the end of the year anyway. If they are brought back the company will place them all in the 727 Second Officer position and pay them 65hrs/month to stay home. That's the company's plan anyway.

So my guess is that Leo anticipating losing the arbitrator's decision would love to offer up bringing the furloughees back to get a code share, while ALPA would be looking for more in order to approve the code share. I wonder if Leo might consider a early retirement buy-out since he is looking at paying 900 pilots to sit home. That and some job guarentees combined with his 100 seat airplane plan might sway DAL pilots. The next months are going to be so interesting.


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

This is great news. Wings and Skyteam need to combine to compete with Star (if United stays afloat) and OneWorld.

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5272 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

In all honesty, though, the whole thing could be ( I have no information on this, this is only conjecture ) a way of screwing the UAL/USAirways deal with the regulators.

That was my initial reaction as well! So, Sean, or anyone else in the know, how likely is it that this alliance would pass muster with the DOJ? I agree with others here, if this alliance can actually be agreed upon by the unions and approved by the DOJ, it will be the most formidable of the domestic alliances.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5110 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Wings and Skyteam make a good match. Comprehensive US network with hubs in EWR CLE DTW CVG ATL MEM DFW IAH MSP SLC JFK and major ops at BOS LGA DCA MCO LAX, Euro hubs at AMS CDG MXP FCO PRG, Asia/Pacific hubs at NRT INC (?) GUM, and throw in AM's network for good measure. The question burning in my mind is what will AA do? This would put them in the weakest domestic postion even though individually they are the largest airline in the world...AS and HP perhaps?


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User currently offlineKtliem@yvr From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

According to AP...

Under terms of the 10-year partnership, which could be announced as soon as Friday, Northwest and Continental would join the SkyTeam alliance, led by Delta and Air France. That could spell the end of the Wings alliance, which Continental and Northwest have formed with Dutch national carrier KLM.

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User currently offlineSjc>sfo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

I find that kind of strange. Though CO has extensive european ops, Northwest is much more quite, doing wholesale funneling of passengers through Amsterdam. By giving up the alliance., Northwests route structure would be heavily altered.

User currently offlineLeo From China, joined May 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

DL/CO/NW/AF/KL/AZ:

This combines the BEST hubs on both sides of the Atlantic and could be an absolute WINNER.

# ATL - new DTW - MSP - CVG - MEM - SEA

# AMS - CDG - MXP


User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 weeks ago) and read 4010 times:

Who said they'd be giving it up?? Wouldn't KLM and all come with it too?? Also, I had heard that the "wings alliance" is not "official" like Star Alliance or OneWorld. True or not??

Chris



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User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

**In all honesty, though, the whole thing could be ( I have no information on this, this is only conjecture ) a way of screwing the UAL/USAirways deal with the regulators. Faced with a two huge codeshare agreements, regulators might just choose to reject both.**

It's two things actually. First, I think this is primarily a bluff to scare the regulators into disapproving UAL/USA. Second, just in case that deal does go through, DAL, CAL and NWA will need to cover themselves. The real interesting question will be, if this deal and the UAL/USA deal both go through, what will AA do?


User currently offlineRjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

Northwest and KLM will not join anything that is "lead" by Air France...It will be "lead" by KLM/NW and AF/DL will follow in line..Everyone knows AF is a disaster, same as Alitalia..Its cultural chaos!!

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

This alliance would still be a little weak out west. SLC is a decent hub, but what about the person who wants to fly from LAX to PDX....connecting through SLC isn't a good option. Of course if this alliance gets approval, I'm sure the three airlines could send planes out west and beef up the West Coast.....CO and DL alone have tons of RJ's to throw around.

However, I have real doubts this will get approved. The DOT isn't going to like it and neither will pilots at NW and DL. Too much dominance in many small markets.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

I think that some might be right when they say that DL,CO and NW are just doing this to scare the DOT away from approving the UA/US codeshare.

User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

Rjnut writes:

"Northwest and KLM will not join anything that is "lead" by Air France...It will be "lead" by KLM/NW and AF/DL will follow in line..Everyone knows AF is a disaster, same as Alitalia..Its cultural chaos!! "

Really? Would you please back this statement up? Air France is growing, profitable, and has completely redone its onboard service. ITs CDG hub is extremely well suited for futher growth. Alitalia has had major problems, but is working on turning itself around. I would hardly describe either as having cultural chaos.

Furthermore, Skyteam was founded by DL, Korean, AF, and AM. It was initiated by AF and DL. IF anyone else is going to join it, they will not "lead". it.


User currently offlineDelta777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

SkyTeam + Wings

Continental
Delta
KLM
Northwest
Air France
Alitalia
CSA Czech
Malev
Kenya Airways
Malaysia
Korean Air
Air Europa

looks good. they will give star some competition. Then, jopefully, US Airways will join Star. That would be very good for Star to get new eastern routes and the Shuttle.

D E L T A 7 7 7


25 Rjnut : Jrlander, You must not understand French or Italian culture very well. Strikes in the workplace are almost monthly events.. workers do not have the sa
26 Euroschu : Rjnut writes: Dont get me wrong, I love the French, but their strengths are not in leading the avation world into bigger and greater heights of cooper
27 ScottysAir : Come on, all of you guys!! Delta were join with the codeshare with NW/CO and as for skyteam and Wings Alliances. I think this will be great as for me
28 Jrlander : Actually Rjnut: My second language is Italian. And, yes, strikes are common in France and Italy. However, I think saying that Air France and Alitalia
29 Blink182 : A- How will this get government approval? Delta for whatever reason has had it easy when it comes to getting government approval. Not only this, but w
30 Braniff727 : I don't think NW/CO is joining Skyteam, I think it's strictly a marketing agreement between the three, not a code-share. AP is the only source saying
31 B747-437B : AP is the only source saying code-share. Actually, I'm 100% sure I saw a quote by Doug Steenland saying that they were looking at Skyteam, and you don
32 FlyPNS1 : Jrlander, DL didn't really choose AF...it was just the last one to pick of the big three since BA went to AA and LH went to UA. DL just got stuck with
33 Jrlander : Oh actually, they did choose AF. If you remember, DL had a large code-sharing agreement with Swissair and Sabena. THough neither exists now, their com
34 Post contains images 727LOVER : Why doesn't everybody just code-share with everybody
35 Braniff727 : From the Horse's Mouth: Posted 23-Aug/2002 on NWA's Employee Site: "Northwest, Delta and Continental Reach Commercial Marketing Agreement Northwest to
36 Post contains links Usairways85 : here's an article about the code-share with delta, NWA, and CO: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-23-2002/0001
37 Braniff727 : Also just read on the NW Employee site that DL is planning on moving to CO's terminal in IAH and to the WorldGateway in DTW. No dates mentioned. I'm s
38 Scott4AA : It seems to me, that CO/DL/NW are all pretty well built up in the east and midwest. With hubs at ATL, IAH, DTW, MSP, MEM, CVG, DFW, EWR and Delta's bi
39 Calpilot : I'm all for it! It might cost me my job for the short term; however, for the long term stability of my career in this industry, this might be the best
40 MD88CAPTAIN : CalPilot. That's some long range thinking. I just got off the phone with a SWA buddy who related a story that happened yesterday. He told me that on c
41 Jrlander : I can't believe CAL is furloughing because of a codeshare that hasn't been approved either by your pilots union or by the Federal government. This sim
42 EWR757 : No furloughs announced. Somebody is pulling someone's chain or grandstanding. Besides, a 767 F/O would be safe. This fails the smell test.
43 Sean-SAN- : I can see why CO/NW would want a domestic with DL. DL has a strong presence in the southeast etc. But What do they need Air France for? KLM has an est
44 Nonrevman : It seems to me, that CO/DL/NW are all pretty well built up in the east and midwest. With hubs at ATL, IAH, DTW, MSP, MEM, CVG, DFW, EWR and Delta's bi
45 Bigo747 : 2 major points. 1 Positive, 1 doubt. 1 Positive: Delta gets benefit for expanding their weak Asian market. NW/CO gets benefit (especially NW) for expa
46 Euroschu : Some are speculating that Alaska might be asked to join at a later date given their deep ties with Northwest & KLM. They also have ties to Continental
47 Drewwright : Hey this marketing idea is working already! I was thinking when I watched the news this evening that I could drop American Advantage in a heartbeat if
48 B747-437B : NW/CO gets benefit (especially NW) for expanding European Market, thanks to Delta. A little know fact is that NWA operates more ASMs transatlantic tha
49 B747-437B : The CAL pilot handed my buddy a piece of paper. The paper was his furlough notice. This guy said he was a 767 FO and that he hadn't seen it coming. I
50 MD88CAPTAIN : I told my buddy that I thought a 767 FO would be too senior to be furloughed yet that was his story. And my SWA buddy also related that this CAL guy m
51 Ladevale : Try again, Drewwright. Anyone who really flies 100K miles on American a year would know that one can use AA miles to fly on Cathay to HK. Or, haven't
52 DCA-ROCguy : Good for Leo Mullin, forcing DOT's hand. A UA-US codeshare does upset the competitive balance among the Cartel-Network carriers in the East, and he ha
53 Padcrasher : Oh "Doctor" Ladevale,, All this talk about CO/NW/DL got ya a little worried? I'm sure AA will muddle through...lol It's funny you questioning someone
54 CO/ba : "DCA-ROCguy Posted 2002-08-24 21:36:11 and read 97 times. Good for Leo Mullin, forcing DOT's hand. A UA-US codeshare does upset the competitive balan
55 HlywdCatft : Where is there going to be room for Delta at the Northwest World Gateway at DTW? Already the new terminal is TOO small. I would assume that Delta woul
56 Calpilot : MD88, EWR757 I'm being a little more (glass half empty, rather than half full), EWR757 you mean to tell me you cant see the writing on the wall with r
57 EWR757 : I really don't need your dissertation of what might occur etc. etc. My post was only to point out at the present time there are no furloughs announced
58 FlyPNS1 : DCA-ROC doesn't want to see a UA/US codeshare because he's afraid that evil US will survive and defy his predicitions. I'm glad DCA-ROC doesn't work f
59 Calpilot : EWR757, NO, the MD80s were not gone before 9/11. There was speculation that they would be gone by '04 to '05, but last summers bid still had 61 of the
60 Calpilot : EWR757, If you have any other thoughts why not bring them into "Calforums.com". We can talk face to face.
61 EWR757 : Bright happy face? You really need to take a deep breath and relax. Is this because I am stating a fact that there are no furloughs currently announce
62 Mas777 : Just thought today driving back from gatwick... this code-share would be brilliant at LGW as all 3 carriers have their London hubs based at LGW!
63 Jrlander : Mas777 I wonder if NW and CAL would move to the North Terminal? With BA reducing service there, there could be space for the 3. Delta already has a Cr
64 Covert : ATLANTA, Aug 23, 2002 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today announced that it has entered into a proposed marketing a
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