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Air New Zealand To 'consider' HKG-LHR  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (12 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

According to the Managing Director and CEO of Air New Zealand, Ralph Norris, they are strengthening/rebuilding their Domestic as well as International Network. And they are currently negotiating new rights to carry 5th Freedom Traffic between Hong Kong and London.

And up to Hong Kong:

We're stepping up from 3 to 5 connections a week on a year round basis.

Looking further out : we're currently negotiating new rights to carry 5th freedom traffic between Hong Kong and London.

This step would provide us with an alternative UK route over Europe and Asia, and make us a "round the world" airline in our own right.


Please go to:
http://www.airnz.com.hk/mediacentre/pressreleases/index.jsp?articleId=22145&pid=12001>

They are considering service between HKG and LHR, in order to make this a 'Round the World' service.

A number of service upgrades have also been mentioned...


54 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

This was floated sometime last year, but I guess 9/11 got in the way and nothing was heard. I assume it is being considered again.

User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Good news that Air NZ are looking to expand internationally!! They need more long haul aircraft in the future then. It appears that maybe Air NZ want 2 daily flights to LHR and codeshare to the other European cities.

The Nagoya part kind of confused me where it said they are lifting daily capacituy by upgrading from 767 to 747 aircraft, there are not enough 744's to operate to Nagoya this coming Southern summer, and daily well currently there are only 3 weekly 763's!


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

They were about to start service between HKG to LHR in October 2001 but many thanks to 9.11 and the demise of Ansett Australia.

The initial plan was to get Ansett flying between SYD and LAX in order free up two NZ B 744s for this route.

They need two additional aircraft if they are to start service between HKG and LHR. According to an NZ staff, its likely to be the B 747-400.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Good news indeed.

Perhaps they need to purchase additional aircraft.....  Smile


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Only time will tell but at this stage they are looking down the track a couple of years anyway so for now no additional aircraft are needed. You never no though they may order the 772ER or A340 and use these to fly the route.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

Its likely that they will stick with Boeing for widebodies with their large B 767-300 Fleet.

User currently offline9V-SPK From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2001, 1646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

It's not easy to get 5th freedom rights on HKG - LHR, i think it might probably take ages unless Hong Kong abandons the closed sky policies that they have been using and follow BKK or SIN with the Open - Sky Policy.
Best Regards


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

9V-SPK,

Air New Zealand already have flight rights between HKG and LHR. It was obtained at the age of DC 8.

Regards.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12475 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Not at all sure that other Boeing aircraft will be chosen, although admittedly the 777 is in with a very good chance. The selection of the A32X to replace the 737s (which were by no means old aircraft, being late model 733s) was a surprise and with a relationship with QF mentioned, the 332 must be considered as having a very good chance. It would be an ideal 763 replacement.

User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 3363 times:

ANZ has been "considering" HKG-LHR for a long time.

User currently offlineJesseycy From New Zealand, joined Aug 2001, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Maybe they want to grab some passengers off CX and SQ! Quite a lot on my last CX flight to HKG from AKL are going onto Europe. Part of them are having stopovers in Asia, but most of them just preferring having the PTVs for such a long flight......

It'll be good for AirNZ to do HKG-LHR, provided that they can compete with CX, in terms of its services, or the ticket prices....


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Their B 767-300s are sttill very new. They need not be replaced.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

http://www.airnz.com.hk/mediacentre/pressreleases/index.jsp?articleId=22145&pid=12001

User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

If they do it they will do it with 744s or 763s they wont do it with new aircraft i doubt it .

nzjet100


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

They PLANNED to use the B 747-400 to fly on this route but everything was put on hold.

I doubt the B 767-300ERs have the range to fly from HKG to LHR.

I would say its likely that they will deploy the B 747-400.

I heard that HKG-AKL is quite full on certain days of the week, especially during peak season. Possible to upgrade a few flights from B 763s to B 744s?

Air New Zealand flew their B 747-200s into HKG before.  Smile


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Branson suggested a B 747-400 between HKG and SYD for DJ, not VS. Please do a search.

As for NZ, HKG-LHR, read carefully........

http://www.airnz.com.hk/mediacentre/pressreleases/index.jsp?articleId=22145&pid=12001

NZ may well sustain a B 747-400 twice a week from HKG-AKL during PEAK seasons, especially if they are to start service between HKG and LHR.



User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

A 763ER certainly couldn't fly HKG-LHR!!

Air NZ has to renew it's 5th Freedom rights for HKG-LHR, the airline has had the rights since the 1960's!

If they are to fly HKG-LHR I would say it will be the same plane from AKL in order to be a true round the world flight. A routing of AKL-HKG-LHR-LAX-AKL or vv.

This summer Air NZ's 744's will be fully utilized so HKG will be lucky to see any.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

You are right. Since 1960. At the age of DC 8s. Actually when did they retire their last DC 8? Early 80s I suppose?????

I understand that HKG-AKL will go DAILY soon. If the flight goes on to LHR, then they can't fly daily from HKG to AKL.

I would say they should use a separate aircraft.

They should pick 1 to 2 additional B 747-400s IF they are to start service between HKG and LHR.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

December 15, 1981: Final NZ DC8 pax flight (MEL-WLG)

September 1989: Final NZ DC8 cargo flight.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Thanks TG 992.

ZK-NBT, when will you install ICQ? Please do it ASAP so that we can chat on live.

 Smile


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

Shame that they didn't go for a AKL-KUL-LHR route - which I'm sure would have done very well indeed!

User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

If ANZ flies AKL-KUL, then I think they better fly AKL-BKK first. It's all because Star Alliance hub.

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Bigo747

It is for this very reason that ANZ should operate into KUL - since TG already operates AKL-BKK and onto LHR and SQ does the same via SIN. There is currently no direct service between LHR and KUL and KUL and AKL with a STAR alliance member.


User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Mas777, with the current financial situation, ANZ is unlikely to fly to a new destination that's not a primary or secondary STAR hub.

ANZ needs a destination that other Star Alliance partner can feed ANZ traffic.


25 Oz777 : Consider this: ANZ is looking at LHR-HKG as the "only" Star operator who already has an approval to fly the sector. It will require the support of ANA
26 ZK-NBT : I doubt that Air NZ will fly to KUL in the near future even though no star carrier flies between AKL-KUL or KUL-LHR. I believe MH is planning to do AK
27 United Airline : I heard that QF plans to fly HKG-LHR. They are negotiating flight rights between these two cities. The second issue is that it also requires an Austra
28 Bigo747 : There are a number of 744 Combis available in early 2004. From who? EVA Airways. EVA Airways is preparing to retire it's entire Boeing 747 fleet when
29 United Airline : Yeah. That's what I heard from their CEO at the beginning of the year. However, I later heard that they have changed their mind and they are not retir
30 ZK-NBT : So are you saying that Air NZ are going to fly 744 Combi's, why would they do that? MH also have 2 744M's that are stored!
31 ZK-NBT : Des EVA's 744 fleet is being retired so I guess if NZ need 744M's they most likely would come from them! They won't start leaving for a little while y
32 United Airline : Bigo747 It is for this very reason that ANZ should operate into KUL - since TG already operates AKL-BKK and onto LHR and SQ does the same via SIN. The
33 United Airline : Des EVA's 744 fleet is being retired so I guess if NZ need 744M's they most likely would come from them! They won't start leaving for a little while y
34 United Airline : Actually, why are they retiring their B 747-400Ms? They aren't that old to be frank. I heard that they are not happy with their cargo payloads. Can an
35 ZK-NBT : I don't no to be honest.
36 United Airline : The B 747 will remain for a very long time. Sad that Eva might retire their B 747-400s, if not a definite will....... It would be interesting if Air N
37 VH-BZF : What a bunch of tossers Air NZ are! Ansett was all set to fly Mel/Syd - Hkg - Lhr. But of course thanks to Air NZ that never happened! I guess they se
38 Bigo747 : The Financial Situation of Air New Zealand is getting better and better. At least they have moved towards buying new aircraft (The A 320s). We'll see.
39 Post contains images United Airline : 777-200LR/-300ER (perhaps they change their mind to A340-500/-600) will be replacing the current entire 15 B747-400 (including 10 Combi), starting 200
40 United Airline : So, is China Airlines going with Boeing?
41 Bigo747 : United Airline: The reason why EVA "denies" the 744 retirement is that they are currently re-evaluating the 777X order. They don't want to be the 2nd
42 United Airline : What a shame that they didn't choose the B 747-400ER/QLR instead.......
43 Post contains images Bigo747 : Um, no Boeing 747 salesperson here
44 Bigo747 : About China Airlines, Boeing is very sure that they'll receive orders from CI. Someone mentioned about the A330-300. I don't think A330-300 will work
45 United Airline : The A 330-300? No way! I heard that China Airlines still have a few B 747-400s on order. And they plan to order a few more. Can anyone confirm this? W
46 United Airline : By the way, has anyone seen ZK-SUH recently? It is now back in service.
47 ZK-NBT : An A330-300 couldn't fly HKG-LHR wouldn't come close. Air NZ would likely use the 744 or get new 772ER's. Don't no if CI still have 744 pax on order b
48 ZK-NBT : I saw ZK-SUH at the Air NZ jet base on Saturday it was then towed to the terminal and operated NZ2 to LAX-LHR on SAT 24th.
49 United Airline : If the Demand of HKG-LHR is very high, it makes more sense to use the B 747-400. I heard that CI still have a few B 747-400s on order. And they might
50 United Airline : ZK-NBT, ICQ me. I have added you to my list. See ya on ICQ. -Desmond
51 TwinER : I understand Air NZ are looking at A340-5/6 and A330 as well as B777. International fleet decision to be announced some time next year. Rgds Twin ER.
52 Post contains images United Airline : Seriously, do they need any additional aircraft for the time being? If yes, I think they will stick with Boeing for Widebodies since they have a large
53 Bigo747 : Again, with ANZ's financial situation, I doubted they buy 2 types of aircrafts (A330/A340), despite they're work almost the same. May be Airbus will u
54 Post contains images United Airline : I think they will choose the B 777-200ER, if not the B 747-400QLR. Or even some second hand B 744s. Freighters? What about pax? I thought they have a
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