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Saudi Airlines - Question: Transit At RUH-JED  
User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

I intend to travel on Saudi on JKT-MXP with following routing:
JKT-RUH / RUH-JED / JED-MXP

RUH-JED is a domestic flight, would I need a Visa to join this flight or is it possible to fly on it as a transit pax?

RUH and JED, to they have domestic terminals?

thanks for your help!


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

I do not believe that such an itinerary is possible even with a Transit Visa. One of the Transit Visa requirements is that you must leave Saudi Arabia NONSTOP on the next flight. You should check with your local Saudi Embassy and obtain their interpretation of the law IN WRITING.

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

B747-437B
Actually I don't want to stop in Saudi Arabia. I was just wonder if the flight between RUH and JED is departing in the same terminals as the Intl. flights or if they have special Domestic Terminals at RUH and JED where you need to pass immigration.

Txs



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User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

I know that at JED SV a separate terminal of its own....im not sure if domestic and international is separate but i would think it is...

User currently offlineSr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

I did RUH - JED on SV and JED - ZRH on SR. The SV flight left RUH on the domestic terminal and arrived JED on a domestic terminal. Take care the dom. terminal in JED is so far from the int. terminal that it takes a 15 min taxi ride. It is recommended that you take out the lugage and bring it personally to the int. terminal. Be also prepared for a rude treatment from the SV ground staff.

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Sr176
Does this mean that I would need a Visa for Saudi Arabia? I don't think it won't be easy to get one and I don't want to pay around CHF 100 just to get a transit Visa or what ever...



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User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Swissgabe, I checked the schedules and there is a direct JED-CGK flight (with stop at RUH but you reamin on board the aircraft). So that might make things easier.

WRT to your question there is a domestic terminal in RUH, or at least the domestic passengers pass through a different area. A Transit Visa is difficult to get and there are many restrictions. Like B747-437B said ask the local Saudi Embassy and get everything in writing. Also enquire with the SV office in CGK. I would not reccomend risking it if you can't obtain all required documents.

BTW the MXP flights stop at ATH. So you'd fly CGK-RUH-JED then connect on JED-ATH-MXP.



User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Many thanks to all of you ...

Actually the flight to MXP flies also from RUH, means RUH-JED-MXP-ATH but I would have loved to fly the SV AB6 too  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I think I might change it to JKT-RUH and then RUH-MXP (with stop at JED and ATH). On the 19OCT02 there is only GA out of JKT to JED and no SV.



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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Unless you have a family sponsor in Saudi Arabia, don't count on getting a visa. My father works in Riyadh, so I was able to get one. I hear that transit visas are incredibly hard to get, as well. Even if it was possible, I'm not sure that the trouble would be worth it.



User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Jrlander
Thats actually why I would like to choose a flight where I don't need to get a Visa at all...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Swissgabe,

Have you considered other airlines like EK or QR?


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

ANY transfer in Saudi Arabia would need a transit visa. The transit visa is for only transfer through the country, not for a stay for which you would need a regular visa. You CANNOT just connect thru Saudi Arabia. I don't think they'll give you the transit visa if you are non-rev since you then wouldn't have a confrimed onward flight. If you do want to fly SV, I suggest to fly CDG-FCO on their 777 and they do have traffic rights on that sector. Really a very nice airline. The777Man


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User currently offlineAirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

I'm assuming that you have a Swiss passport. This is what comes up in Timatic:

TIMATIC-2 / 26AUG02 / 1416 UTC
NATIONAL SWITZERLAND /CH/ /TRANSIT SAUDI ARABIA /SA/
|VISA TRANSIT SAUDI ARABIA /SA/
|...... NORMAL PASSPORTS ONLY ......
|VISA NOT REQUIRED IF:
|- CONTINUING TO A THIRD COUNTRY BY SAME/FIRST CONNECTING
| AIRCRAFT /MAX. CONNECTING TIME FOR DHA, JED AND RUH:
| 12 HOURS/ AND
|- HOLDING CONFIRMED ONWARD RESERVATION AND OTHER DOCUMENTS FOR
| ONWARD DESTINATION AND
|- NOT LEAVING THE TRANSIT LOUNGE.
|IT IS RECOMMENDED ALWAYS TO HOLD A TRANSIT VISA.
|IF HOLDING A TRANSIT VISA, ACCOMMODATION POSSIBLE IN HOTEL BY
|AND ON RESPONSIBILITY OF TRANSPORTING CARRIER UNTIL FIRST
TRANSIT REFUSED IF:
|* NOT COMPLYING WITH REQUIREMENTS REGARDING GENERAL APPEARANCE
| SEE: TIDFT/SA/PA/RE.
|* ONWARD FLIGHT MAKES ANOTHER TRANSIT STOP IN SAUDI ARABIA.
| PASSENGER HAS TO PROCEED ON NON-STOP FLIGHT FOR ABROAD
| WITHOUT MAKING ANOTHER LANDING IN SAUDI ARABIA.
|SCAN COMPLETE






User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

QatarAirways
Yeah, I did but I would like to try out SV this time and QR maybe next time  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The777Man
As you can see AirafriqueDKR's posting (thanks btw) you don't need a Visa for a direct transfer, only if you leave the International Transfer hall which would be the case if you take not a direct flight into a third country.

AirafriqueDKR
I would love to have a PC based CRS  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The only thing I don't understand is the following:
ONWARD FLIGHT MAKES ANOTHER TRANSIT STOP IN SAUDI ARABIA.
| PASSENGER HAS TO PROCEED ON NON-STOP FLIGHT FOR ABROAD
| WITHOUT MAKING ANOTHER LANDING IN SAUDI ARABIA.

I would fly JKT-RUH and would continue the direct flight RUH-MXP which has stops in JED and ATH. Since on my boarding pass they would print RUH-MXP (and not RUH-JED-ATH-MXP) it should be possible to use this connection without a transit visa, don't you think? Anyway, I think I will check with SV here in Europe before I leave/book.



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User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Thanks for that AirAfriqueDKR



TRANSIT REFUSED IF:
|* NOT COMPLYING WITH REQUIREMENTS REGARDING GENERAL APPEARANCE
| SEE: TIDFT/SA/PA/RE.
|* ONWARD FLIGHT MAKES ANOTHER TRANSIT STOP IN SAUDI ARABIA.
| PASSENGER HAS TO PROCEED ON NON-STOP FLIGHT FOR ABROAD
| WITHOUT MAKING ANOTHER LANDING IN SAUDI ARABIA.




It turns out B747-437B is right. You will not be able to get a transit visa because of the last point.


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

QatarAirways
Right, I will check this with SV anyway but when I arrived in RUH and I will board a plane which stops in JED but I will remain in the plane, well, I don't think that they would care about. But to go sure I will check it anyway...



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User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

SV's flight to MXP is:

RUH-JED-ATH-MXP

So I assume SV's MD90 will depart from International terminal in Riyadh since it's an international flight.


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Thanks Bigo747, but the problem was actually that I wanted to fly
JKT-RUH / RUH-JED / JED-MXP and the RUH-JED would have been another flight than the one going to MXP but I will fly RUH-MXP without leaving the plane at JED. Will check with SV today if this goes ok...



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Timatic is obviously correct and since it says verys specifically "has to proceed on a nonstop flight for abroad without making another landing in Saudi Arabia" you cannot fly RUH-JED-ATH-MXP. Do check with SV but I pretty sure it won't work. Good Luck!Let us know if it works or not. The777Man


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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Hi 777Man, actually it only says:
IT IS RECOMMENDED ALWAYS TO HOLD A TRANSIT VISA.
But I still will check with them anyway but I don't think they will make troubles if you don't have a visa because you don't even leave the plane. They only could bring you into trouble in JKT but if they see in the ticket RUH-MXP as a connex I don't think they will do anything.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

I don't think they will do anything.

Anyone who flies into Saudi Arabia with the mindset of "I don't think they will do anything" deserves what's coming.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Hi Swisssgabe! QatarAirways posted the info on transit and it clearly said TRANSIT REFUSED if .... Just what I wrote above. I don't spoil your trip but you seem to think that it's very easy to transit Saudi Arabia or "they won't mind" when Timatic is very specific. I think you are being naive when it comes to entry or transit requirements for countries. The777Man


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User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2401 times:
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It's a bit out of topic I admit, but I still wonder: Why does Saudi Arabia make it so difficult to enter its country or even to transit there ???

From a European point of view, I view Saudi Arabia as an unfriendly country compared to UAE or Qatar...!!!

I hope I can get a piece of answer...


Regards,



F.B



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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Flying Belgian:

I'm not a Saudi, but have spent some time in the country and my father does live and work in Riyadh. My feeling while I was there was not that Saudi Arabia was unfriendly. The Saudis that I met were quite hospitable. But the government does like to have some level of control over everything, and keeping people out who did not have a reason to be there is a part of this. Of course, this is the view of an outsider who was there for a while. Are there any Saudis on this board who could add anything to this?



User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

The777Man
I think you are being naive when it comes to entry or transit requirements for countries
Nevermind, Saudi Arabia is not the first country I'm in transit nor it is the first Arabic country. As I said I will CHECK with SV anyway so whats the point about naive, and btw, I visited already countries where it is at least as complicated to get visas.



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25 Post contains images Swissgabe : As per a Saudi Office in Europe they always recommend to go for a transit visa in case the is a cancellation or something like that so you would be ab
26 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : I just had a look in the OAG, and I noticed that, despite originating at RUH, there are no tickets sold on this flight for RUH-JED. So maybe it is tec
27 Swissgabe : Airsicknessbag Thats what I was thinking of first because this flight is not even loaded in the system as a RUH-JED flight and you only have Intl. sto
28 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : Ya, isn´t it funny - a flight operated by a Saudi airline which goes RUH-JED-ATH-MXP - and for which city pair you can´t by a ticket? Whose first gu
29 Danialanwar : OAG online is free (to check timetables) and as complete as the printed version. www.oag.com
30 Post contains images Swissgabe : Daniel, thanks anyway Danialanwar, I know about the online one but I would love to have a book. I also have a CRS but it's all about a printed version
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