B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
I do not believe that such an itinerary is possible even with a Transit Visa. One of the Transit Visa requirements is that you must leave Saudi Arabia NONSTOP on the next flight. You should check with your local Saudi Embassy and obtain their interpretation of the law IN WRITING.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1870 times:
B747-437B
Actually I don't want to stop in Saudi Arabia. I was just wonder if the flight between RUH and JED is departing in the same terminals as the Intl. flights or if they have special Domestic Terminals at RUH and JED where you need to pass immigration.
Txs
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Sr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 408 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1841 times:
I did RUH - JED on SV and JED - ZRH on SR. The SV flight left RUH on the domestic terminal and arrived JED on a domestic terminal. Take care the dom. terminal in JED is so far from the int. terminal that it takes a 15 min taxi ride. It is recommended that you take out the lugage and bring it personally to the int. terminal. Be also prepared for a rude treatment from the SV ground staff.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
Sr176
Does this mean that I would need a Visa for Saudi Arabia? I don't think it won't be easy to get one and I don't want to pay around CHF 100 just to get a transit Visa or what ever...
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QatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1837 times:
Swissgabe, I checked the schedules and there is a direct JED-CGK flight (with stop at RUH but you reamin on board the aircraft). So that might make things easier.
WRT to your question there is a domestic terminal in RUH, or at least the domestic passengers pass through a different area. A Transit Visa is difficult to get and there are many restrictions. Like B747-437B said ask the local Saudi Embassy and get everything in writing. Also enquire with the SV office in CGK. I would not reccomend risking it if you can't obtain all required documents.
BTW the MXP flights stop at ATH. So you'd fly CGK-RUH-JED then connect on JED-ATH-MXP.
Jrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1097 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
Unless you have a family sponsor in Saudi Arabia, don't count on getting a visa. My father works in Riyadh, so I was able to get one. I hear that transit visas are incredibly hard to get, as well. Even if it was possible, I'm not sure that the trouble would be worth it.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6088 posts, RR: 56 Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1807 times:
ANY transfer in Saudi Arabia would need a transit visa. The transit visa is for only transfer through the country, not for a stay for which you would need a regular visa. You CANNOT just connect thru Saudi Arabia. I don't think they'll give you the transit visa if you are non-rev since you then wouldn't have a confrimed onward flight. If you do want to fly SV, I suggest to fly CDG-FCO on their 777 and they do have traffic rights on that sector. Really a very nice airline. The777Man
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AirafriqueDKR From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1804 times:
I'm assuming that you have a Swiss passport. This is what comes up in Timatic:
TIMATIC-2 / 26AUG02 / 1416 UTC
NATIONAL SWITZERLAND /CH/ /TRANSIT SAUDI ARABIA /SA/
|VISA TRANSIT SAUDI ARABIA /SA/
|...... NORMAL PASSPORTS ONLY ......
|VISA NOT REQUIRED IF:
|- CONTINUING TO A THIRD COUNTRY BY SAME/FIRST CONNECTING
| AIRCRAFT /MAX. CONNECTING TIME FOR DHA, JED AND RUH:
| 12 HOURS/ AND
|- HOLDING CONFIRMED ONWARD RESERVATION AND OTHER DOCUMENTS FOR
| ONWARD DESTINATION AND
|- NOT LEAVING THE TRANSIT LOUNGE.
|IT IS RECOMMENDED ALWAYS TO HOLD A TRANSIT VISA.
|IF HOLDING A TRANSIT VISA, ACCOMMODATION POSSIBLE IN HOTEL BY
|AND ON RESPONSIBILITY OF TRANSPORTING CARRIER UNTIL FIRST
TRANSIT REFUSED IF:
|* NOT COMPLYING WITH REQUIREMENTS REGARDING GENERAL APPEARANCE
| SEE: TIDFT/SA/PA/RE.
|* ONWARD FLIGHT MAKES ANOTHER TRANSIT STOP IN SAUDI ARABIA.
| PASSENGER HAS TO PROCEED ON NON-STOP FLIGHT FOR ABROAD
| WITHOUT MAKING ANOTHER LANDING IN SAUDI ARABIA.
|SCAN COMPLETE
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1799 times:
QatarAirways
Yeah, I did but I would like to try out SV this time and QR maybe next time
The777Man
As you can see AirafriqueDKR's posting (thanks btw) you don't need a Visa for a direct transfer, only if you leave the International Transfer hall which would be the case if you take not a direct flight into a third country.
AirafriqueDKR
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The only thing I don't understand is the following:
ONWARD FLIGHT MAKES ANOTHER TRANSIT STOP IN SAUDI ARABIA.
| PASSENGER HAS TO PROCEED ON NON-STOP FLIGHT FOR ABROAD
| WITHOUT MAKING ANOTHER LANDING IN SAUDI ARABIA.
I would fly JKT-RUH and would continue the direct flight RUH-MXP which has stops in JED and ATH. Since on my boarding pass they would print RUH-MXP (and not RUH-JED-ATH-MXP) it should be possible to use this connection without a transit visa, don't you think? Anyway, I think I will check with SV here in Europe before I leave/book.
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QatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
Thanks for that AirAfriqueDKR
TRANSIT REFUSED IF:
|* NOT COMPLYING WITH REQUIREMENTS REGARDING GENERAL APPEARANCE
| SEE: TIDFT/SA/PA/RE.
|* ONWARD FLIGHT MAKES ANOTHER TRANSIT STOP IN SAUDI ARABIA.
| PASSENGER HAS TO PROCEED ON NON-STOP FLIGHT FOR ABROAD
| WITHOUT MAKING ANOTHER LANDING IN SAUDI ARABIA.
It turns out B747-437B is right. You will not be able to get a transit visa because of the last point.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
QatarAirways
Right, I will check this with SV anyway but when I arrived in RUH and I will board a plane which stops in JED but I will remain in the plane, well, I don't think that they would care about. But to go sure I will check it anyway...
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Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1720 times:
Thanks Bigo747, but the problem was actually that I wanted to fly
JKT-RUH / RUH-JED / JED-MXP and the RUH-JED would have been another flight than the one going to MXP but I will fly RUH-MXP without leaving the plane at JED. Will check with SV today if this goes ok...
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The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6088 posts, RR: 56 Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1700 times:
Timatic is obviously correct and since it says verys specifically "has to proceed on a nonstop flight for abroad without making another landing in Saudi Arabia" you cannot fly RUH-JED-ATH-MXP. Do check with SV but I pretty sure it won't work. Good Luck!Let us know if it works or not. The777Man
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Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1697 times:
Hi 777Man, actually it only says:
IT IS RECOMMENDED ALWAYS TO HOLD A TRANSIT VISA.
But I still will check with them anyway but I don't think they will make troubles if you don't have a visa because you don't even leave the plane. They only could bring you into trouble in JKT but if they see in the ticket RUH-MXP as a connex I don't think they will do anything.
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The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6088 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
Hi Swisssgabe! QatarAirways posted the info on transit and it clearly said TRANSIT REFUSED if .... Just what I wrote above. I don't spoil your trip but you seem to think that it's very easy to transit Saudi Arabia or "they won't mind" when Timatic is very specific. I think you are being naive when it comes to entry or transit requirements for countries. The777Man
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Jrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1097 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1659 times:
Flying Belgian:
I'm not a Saudi, but have spent some time in the country and my father does live and work in Riyadh. My feeling while I was there was not that Saudi Arabia was unfriendly. The Saudis that I met were quite hospitable. But the government does like to have some level of control over everything, and keeping people out who did not have a reason to be there is a part of this. Of course, this is the view of an outsider who was there for a while. Are there any Saudis on this board who could add anything to this?
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 37 Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
The777Man I think you are being naive when it comes to entry or transit requirements for countries
Nevermind, Saudi Arabia is not the first country I'm in transit nor it is the first Arabic country. As I said I will CHECK with SV anyway so whats the point about naive, and btw, I visited already countries where it is at least as complicated to get visas.
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25 Swissgabe: As per a Saudi Office in Europe they always recommend to go for a transit visa in case the is a cancellation or something like that so you would be ab
26 Airsicknessbag: I just had a look in the OAG, and I noticed that, despite originating at RUH, there are no tickets sold on this flight for RUH-JED. So maybe it is tec
27 Swissgabe: Airsicknessbag Thats what I was thinking of first because this flight is not even loaded in the system as a RUH-JED flight and you only have Intl. sto
28 Airsicknessbag: Ya, isn´t it funny - a flight operated by a Saudi airline which goes RUH-JED-ATH-MXP - and for which city pair you can´t by a ticket? Whose first gu
29 Danialanwar: OAG online is free (to check timetables) and as complete as the printed version. www.oag.com
30 Swissgabe: Daniel, thanks anyway Danialanwar, I know about the online one but I would love to have a book. I also have a CRS but it's all about a printed version
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