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AC Jazz Launch YUL-ATL  
User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Air Canada has announced that effective November 2002, it'll launch 3x daily Montreal-Atlanta service. Flights will operated by a CRJ under Air Canada JAZZ title.

MONTREAL-ATLANTA DEPARTS ARRIVES
AC8020 0700 0953
AC8022 1350 1643
AC8024 1700 1953
ATLANTA-MONTREAL DEPARTS ARRIVES
AC8021 0720 0958
AC8023 1025 1303
AC8025 1715 1953


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Nice to see them expand. Now let's see how long this one lasts. Not because the market is not there, but because AC has not launched a succsesful transborder route in a long time and of those launched in recent times, only four, if I am not mistaken, are still around. Those are Miami-Vancouver, which went from year-round daily to winter weekends, and Toronto-Westchester, and Phoenix-Vancouver/Calgary (I am still very surprised Phoenix-Calgary has lasted this long).


a.
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Hopefully there will be many more flights from YUL once the new transborders concourses open.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1774 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

What the %$#@, are you serious!? Well that's nice! Very nice!

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Yes, it is!!! Noise, I possible sure that about YUL as for new terminal by transborder will be opened it up real soon. I'm serious of yourself about on the a.net. Good to hear as AC Jazz were expand more flight to ATL. This is my brother were use lived into ATL now. I'm guess that I did already flew to ATL as on Aug 15, 2002 on B767-400ER on Delta. This is my favorite airline is Delta. Because, I do exactly were struck on Delta FF miles as for much long time. Well, see ya!!!

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

It makes me wonder if Delta will launch ASA or Comair flights (in addition to mainline flights) in response to this. It would be a good fit to the current Delta Connection flights to YYZ and YOW out of ATL.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Delta Connection already flies ATL-YUL. Once a day, I think.


a.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

ASA has plans to bring YUL-ATL to three daily....

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

Delta operates 2x daily ATL-YYZ. Delta Connection 4x daily, AC mainline 4x daily.

10 dailies including 6 mainline.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1774 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

Thanks for bringing that up Neil, we really wanted to know that.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

No problem Chris.

Just a subtle hint that whatever time of day a YUL'er wants to fly to ATL, there is a handy connection......thru YYZ.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineWestjet_8 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

PHX to Calgary is doing so well that America West started on the route along with the existing AC flight.


Canadian. RIP 1999
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Good point Chris! (noise)..

I know now HoW TO AVOID a connection in YYZ, but thank you  Big thumbs up

Its funny that in a matter of 4 months, tYUL-ATL has gone from 2 daily to a potential of 6 daily..

Very neat.

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

What is a potential of 6 flights ????

If I take a potential flight to ATL, do I still get there?


 Yeah sure




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1637 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

Chris,

Look at how this thread has evolved, doesn't it remind you of a conversation we had several weeks ago? All it takes is an "innoncent" post and like Pavlolv's Dogs everyone falls into place... It doesn't take much other that the term "YUL" to ge tthe ball rolling. The only winner is the one in control and like usual it's not the dogs....

Nice to see AC Jazz on this run, the addition of flights should stumulate the route and hopefully generate some new traffic. Nice to see routes out of Montreal evolve and change. I wish them all the success they can get. Hopefully some more competition will come on other US routes in the future.

Doug


User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

I don't know much about the city of Atlanta. What about it (except, perhaps, it's size) justifies this many flights to Montreal? I can understand Delta feeding it's hub, but AC? I'm being serious - someone enlighten me. Unless your name is FLYYUL, lol


buhh bye
User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1637 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

See Chris,

..the feeding frenzy begins...

Doug


User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

No offence to those residing in YUL, but I too would like to know what justifies 3 daly non-stop YUL-ATL flights? Now, of course, one would assume AC did their homework, re market research, forecasting capacity, etc, but
Montreal, Quebec - Atlanta, Georgia? YYZ-ATL service I can understand, but my eyebrows are raised at this new route.

Again, I am NOT trying to start a flame war here, YUL guys. I simply would
like to have your input on this.

Regards,
Canadi>nBoy
YYZ


User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1637 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1273 times:

With all due repect guys, I suspect you and your friends are trying to start a flame. This process is being repeated time and time again and for what purpose?? They way you all coordinate an attack on every YUL post really serves not other purpose other than to maybe have a good laugh at our expense...? just speculation, no proof to back that up though...

User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

With all due respect, Caribb, please refrain from being paranoid, and do not "label" me as a flamestarter simply because I hail from YYZ! That is very narrow minded. I made it VERY clear in my post I was not trying to start a flame war.

I am asking a question here, and simply would like an answer/feedback.

Is there anyone in YUL, or elsewhere, who can get past this nonsense and
have an adult discussion about this topic?

Kind regards
Canadi>nBoy
YYZ





User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

There are over 85,000 pax per year that fly Montreal-Atlanta, thats more than Montreal-boston, and there are how many flights between YUL and BOS... 10 was the last time I counted.

Toronto's YYZ-ATL is estimated at around 135,000 pax per yerar according to StatCan. Now tell me, does the discrepancy between YUL and YYZ, means that you get 7 flights by DL, plus 5 A319s to ATL (which usually are half-full anyway) to YYZ, and we cant supprot a few CRJ's?????? Comeone...

YUL-ATL is more than YUL-BOS or YUL-PHL, all of which are served by AC CRJ's. Furthermore, ATL is a growing market, and since 1995, the StatCan numbers show that this is one of the markets that has grown the most out of YUL anyway. In 1995, about 50,000 pax travelled between YUL and ATL, and now its somwhere near 85,000 pax, and getting larger by the day.

For those YYZers, of which I have much respect for (except for two clowns onthis board), YYZ is a very big market. IT IS THE dominant one in Canada by far. However, there are other markets with potential. Toronto is not 6 times larger than Montreal, its about 1.5 times. TOronto is not overwhelmingly richer than Montreal, because it suffers from the highest cost of living burden in Eastern Canada (by far!). Toronto is no longer the only city that is booming, Montreal is catching up just fine thank you very much. You simply need to consult your nearest StatCan bureau, review the indexes from this year. YOU Will be STUNNED to find that Montreal has not only produced more jobs than Toronto this year, it has also had more non-residential construction than Toronto.

And this is welcomed news, to knowthat we are getting out of Neil's YYZ717 "city that is getting smaller, city that is declining, poor low-pci, city made up of 3rd world citizens" view of Montreal. With this, the justification for new non-stopsd out of Montreal just keeps rising. MANY airlines have expressed interest in the Montreal market, many of which are not happy with Dorval airport, and many of whom are waiting to see a more modern and expanded Dorval. But with YYZ becoming so big, and bigger by the year, (and with all due respect) it will be hard for you guys especially, to try to think that there is life outside YYZ.....

And for those YYZers who would ask 'well who is interested in flying to Montreal'... well let me compile a little list here..

-Lufthansa wants a piece of YUL-FRA... Air Canda started its 2nd flight to FRA from Montreal for a purpose. For the last 2 weeks, the flights have been sold-out. With nearly 500 seats to FRA per day, expect to see LH back someday soon. This is also been confirmed by several travel agents on the Montreal board, who are in constant contact with LH reps.

-MEA Montreal-Beyrut/

-Alitalia Montreal-Milan... AZ has been in discussions with the ADM for a little while now. The interest is there, who knows if it will ever materialize.

Ans then the success of Austrian Airlines, who will expand YYZ and YUL at the same time, will knowing that is doing fantastic in both markets.. now this kind of news, would just crush Neil...

Mark


User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

FLYYUL, thank you for the data and information re YUL-ATL. I had no idea of the stats. And I'm impressed at the numbers. I'm sorry for the fact that there seems to be some animosity between some YYZ and YUL members here. But, FLYYUL, please do not include ALL YYZ'ers in your opinion that states as YYZ gets bigger, we will be hard pressed to realize there is life outside of Toronto. That is rather naive and narrowminded, and you strike me as a very intelligent guy, Mark. I do not appreciate that comment, as I, among many others who reside here, are liberal minded people with a vast peripheral view. I am a very well travelled individual, as are many people who reside in Toronto, and we have a great love and admiration for many cities throughout the world, including the great city of Montreal (which has, by the way, some of the best restaurants I have ever eaten in!).

I really hope some, I repeat, some of the YYZ and YUL members can get over their animosity towards each other. We're all Canadians, guys. We're all a part of this vast and beautiful and unique land. We are all a part of the rich Canadian mosaic, as I stated in an earlier post which was deleted. It may sound cheesy and corny, but it is the truth. And the truth, in many cases,
is simple indeed. It's our pride that impedes establishing positive relationships with one another.

Here's wishing Dorval and all of Canada the best. And in truth, yeah, Dorval really needs to expand and build a new terminal(s) in order to accommodate future growth, which I do hope your city continues to enjoy. Economic growth and prosperity for Montreal and the province of Quebec means advancement for all of Canada.

Kind regards,
Canadi>nBoy
YYZ and Beyond


User currently offlineLowfareair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1244 times:

MAH: Wasn't PHL-YUL started within the last couple of years? That has been successful.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 days ago) and read 1229 times:

The problem is that quoting StatsCan statistics about city pair size does not translate into a "market" that airlines should automatically serve. These stats are raw, and ignore the yield, the geographic issues (ie, can YUL-ATL be served thru YYZ), aircraft availability, greater profit potential on other routes, etc. YYZ's more southwestern location (from YUL) makes it a natural hubbing city for YUL'ers bounds for the US, for instance. This is not reflected in the raw Statscan numbers.

While it is good that AC Jazz has added this market, there is a danger that the market is "flooded" at least in the short term, by this 67% capacity increase. This could cause either Delta Conn or AC Jazz to pull out if the addl traffic can't be generated.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 days ago) and read 1220 times:

Speaking of Jazz, is it known (or projected) how many CRJ's they plan to add to the fleet? Will these aircraft type eventually replace the Dash-8's? Also, what other mainline routes is AC considering or actively planning to transfer over to Jazz operations?

Canadi>nBoy





25 Post contains images Noise : "See Chris, ..the feeding frenzy begins... Doug" , , Sad but true, I wasn't aware of this when I posted my message. My bad.
26 FLYYUL : Neil, You are right... but a few pax can benefit from trans-atlantic connections, as well as domestic connections. It wont be in large numbers, but yo
27 Caribb : Canadi>nboy - I think calling me paranoid, narrow minded and childish is a little over the top and is off that mark of respect you asked us to uphold.
28 Post contains images Mark_D. : Whoa Nellie, looks like some serious heart-to-hearts going on, around here! Me I don't mind any of these conversations (even Neily (Yyz717) is fun to
29 Quebecair727 : Just to put a lighter touch here, Montrealers are heavy Coca-Cola drinkers. Therefore, we need a direct link with Atlanta. I am going to ATL this Octo
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