Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4319 posts, RR: 25 Posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1342 times:
In case anytone cares about real new instead of trivial horse hockey: Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse. Morale is even lower now at the company. Saab flying is being reduced, we're posting profits, giving CEOs huge raises, constantly losing flying to Pinnacle and now this bombshell today. You gotta love this industry... can we say contract time?
What they don't tell you though is that voluntary furloughs are being offered for an INDEFINITE time and that these numbers are based on a 8 pilot a month attritian rate. IF the rate is less than 8/mo up to a total of 100 pilots will be furloughed. They also don't tell you that 50 captains will be displaced to the right seat.
The thing that gets me the most is this brilliant comment:
"The reduced fall flight activity reflects the continued softness in passenger demand," DEMAND? We have 1 customer and that is Northwest. If demand is so soft from them why is Pinnacle (who's only customer is NW also) growing in leaps and bounds?
Mesaba operates with fixed costs... as long as we complete flights we get paid, regardless of how full the flight is. Again, we're making money, yet this is all happening!!!!!!
Android From Japan, joined Jun 2002, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1317 times:
As a former Mesaba Employee(Maint. Supv) I know how you are feeling -I left just before Bedford walked out with his Millions and a new Saab Convertible (Gee I wonder where that came from ??). Unfortunately the great people who work there get to suffer. I have fond memories of my friends there and they are lucky to have such good people working for them . My only advice is to ride it out as long as you can and use Mesaba like the stepping stone management encourages it to be .I'am a Rep for Bombardier now (Thanks to Mesaba's Dash-8's- thats another story) and I 'am happy I got out when I could !! Good Luck
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 8066 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1302 times:
Whats going on AZJ,
It stinks to see what you guys are through. I'm working part-time on the ramp here in SCE with ACA. My roommate helped me get the job, not too many hours, but enough to make some spending $. I'm sure you know, that we're growing by leaps and bounds. I don't really know what the XJ people think around here, I hear the usual crap from everyone. I wasn't working today anyways, whenever they got wind of the info.
I know just looking through NW's schedule its obvious how much Saab flying is being reduced. Is NW allowed to screw your company like that? I mean, they control your earnings and schedules so don't they just end up controlling the bottom line over there?
btw, I know SCE is actually seeing something positive from XJ, the 4th daily is coming back for Oct. Woohoo, there's one extra Saab flight for you guys, probably at the expense of about 4 others.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1880 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1286 times:
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I am hearing the word "union" a lot more at work lately. I am hearing a lot more trash-talking of the management too. Even the lower end supervisors who never had anything bad to say about people above them have started to change. I am also seeing a lot of new faces in management who don't really know what they are doing. Pure croneyism.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4319 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1283 times:
Well, for right now, my job is safe. When the 50 furlughs are done, I'll be hovering closer to the bottom of the list. With 50 captains coming back to the right seat I could get displaced out of the Avro to the saab. Which I really wouldn't mind actually. THe vacancy notices are being published Thursday or Friday and base visits by the company are being conducted. If they really do furlough the 100 people they threaten, I'm history. Until then, I guess I'll get used to reserve life again.
RJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1213 times:
Unfortunately you are experiencing the "negotiation blues" I remember them well..................seems like just yesterday. Management will play hardball when they are trying to tighten the screws on their employees. Here are some of the things we experienced here:
1. Court Injunction. Management won an injunction against us concerning our maintenance write ups. Too many write ups could lead to monetary fines payable by the union or individual pilot. (this was brought about by a few days of a 100% campaign, which I would suggest NOT doing, it backfired on us.)
2. Hostage Taking. Management singled out 19 pilots that had a history of numerous write-ups. There was an article in the newspaper about these pilots and their write-ups. Their names were even published and a few of them were fired! Funny though that all of them got their jobs back after we returned to work after the strike.
3. Pitting Employee Groups Against Each Other. Misinformation was rampid. During our strike the company kept everybody on payroll for a while. As the strike wore on, they said they could no longer afford to keep the worker bees on the pay roll (management people were not expendable though). So on Mother's Day they furloughed all of the worker bees. (F/A's, CSA's, Rampies) You think doing this on Mother's Day was a coincidence?
4. Taking more hostages. When we went on strike all of the new hires that were in training (86 of them) were fired. Just another tactic management likes to do to the pilots. Pits senior vs. junior.
5. Running Lean. Junior Mannings and schedule displacements were rampid as well. They were running lean on purpose in order to make life difficult on the pilots. I would show up for work for a trip and I would end up doing something that wasn't even remotely close to what I had checked in for. They wouldn't change the trip when I checked in, but as soon as mechanical or miss connect happened, all bets were off.
Its too bad that Mesaba is having to chase the preverbal carrot of Regional Jets. Is your MEC willing to give in, so that they may obtain these jets, or are they standing firm and hoping that the jets will come anyway? I jump seated you all the other day and I couldn't believe how many Pinnacle RJ's were in MSP. That is another tactic that management is using on you all. Keep your heads up and stand tall. I hope that you get the contract and RJ's that you deserve. If you end up on the street, check us out. We are getting around 2 CRJ's a month and we might have a DFW base soon. Our new contract isn't all that bad either.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4319 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1186 times:
RJ - Thanks for the support. This is clearly contract blues. Sure, our saab flying is being reduced about 10% for the fall, so I can understand the need to change the staffing models. However our saab flying has been shrinking since the day Pinnacle started DTW service. Avro flying hasn't been affected that much, in fact we're picking up a few ex DC9 routes for Sept. We're now in mediation after gooth faith negotiations started last year, a year earlier than the ammendable date. The MEC isn't hungry for the carrot. They and the pilots learned that lesson when the famous LOA 15 was drafted. This essentially negated the jet pay scale for FOs and created 1 pay scale for us, extended the contract a year or so and this allowed huge consessions so that we could get the Avro. It turns out we were getting the avro anyway, since Express was in their negotiations and in the process of shrinking. So, this time the union isn't playing that game. They're also not buying into the softend traffic BS or the post 9/11 crap. It is very clear what "World Class" contracts at the regional level can do. Look at your company, Air Willy and all the rest. But I don't need to tell you that. It's so frustrating to be on this end of the stick all the while the company puts out press releases to turn the public against the pilots. They've already been relatively successful pitting us against the agents/rampers and mechanics. By the way, in one press release the company says that the union rejected the "final offer". They don't say that the final offer was present contract including further concessions and arbitration.
I really want to stick with XJ because the people are great and in general, when not negotiating, the company is great too. But I am starting to explore my options, and comair is on the list. It is so hard to make a living on 2nd year FO pay, soon to be 3 year Fo pay in our current contract, then to quit and start all over at first year pay at another company - it will be impossible.
THe icing on the cake yeaterday after this bombshell was released was the annoucement by NW and Pinnacle that 2 of the 4 MEM-FSM flights are to go to the CRJ from the XJ saab. Talk about a slap in the face.