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Libyan Arab Airlines Airbus Order?  
User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3207 times:

Hello,

Does anyone know what happened to the LAA Airbus order for A340/ A330s/A320? Last thing I heard was two years ago about an order being placed with the manufacturer, following the lifting of UN travel sanctions against Libya.

Thanks,

EurostarVA


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User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

I would guess it was blocked y the yanks, just like the Iran deal and in a way like CI and BR !!

User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Blocked by the yanks? Is it just me or do you assume that every Airbus order that's cancelled or delayed is a result of US government action? Could it be that Libyan Arab Airlines may not be able to afford the new jets? Ever think of that? Quite spouting your conpiracy theories and get your head out of the sand!

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Even if it is true, the US reserves the right to ban the sale of its commercial products to any rogue nation.

If Airbus feels that it is losing too many orders due to US government bans, they are free to develop aircraft with minimal use of US technology to avoid the sanctions.




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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Boeing4ever
Libya could afford new jets, Libya is one of the richest country on the African continent with a lot of Oil and a good Industry. Seems that you are talking about something you don't know about.

The fact is that the USA blocked this deal since there is still an U.S. embargo on Libya and Airbus was not allowed to have more than 10 % (can't remember the exact figure) or American built parts in it.

What Libyan Arab Airlines has done was very easy, they just leased Airbuses from Transaer, RJ and other European leasing companies.



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User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3058 times:

Would Libyan Arab and Iran Air be able to buy used a/c (ie not brand new from Airbus) or lease them from a non US company? If they are able to do these, why don't they?

Cheers!


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3053 times:

As far as I know Libyan Arab Airlines wants to buy NEW aircrafts. They own a few Airbus A310-300 and they want to replace their old fleet of A310, 727 and F28 with new planes.

As I said, Libyan Arab Airlines is already leasing a few A320. Earlier it was leased from a Irish Company but I think they switched to another one now.

The are also operating a AB6 but I don't know where this is from, most probably leased as well.



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User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Libyan Arab Airlines (LN) operate a small fleet of B727-200 and old F27's and F28's. The have two B734's on wet lease from Blue Panorama. LN also operates an A300-600 which flies in full LN colours but with a registration of a another country. Not sure about any A310's.

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

I think don't fly the F27 anymore, but maybe for a few small airports in the desert. Do they still operate the 734? I didn't find them in the CRS ... The A313 are flying as per the CRS.


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User currently offlineAviatsiya.ru From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

The 737-400s from Blue Panorama are actually operated by Afriqiyah Airlines, not Libyan Arab.


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From time to time the aircraft are operated by Blue Panorama for Afriqiyah on behalf of Libyan Arab  Smile

Swissgabe, not too sure if it is 10% or 20%. Do you remember when British Caledonian (before going out of business) sold one of their A310s to Libyan Arab, only for the aircraft to be gotten back once the Americans threatened BCal with sanctions and lawsuits? Late 1980s that would have been.


User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

The Qatari Government A340-200 has been on lease to Afriqiyah on behalf of the Libyan government for a while. It is up for sale.


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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

No Aviatsiya.ru, never heard of this case but good to "know"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


I remember that I have seen a few LN 734 flying out of TIP but as far as I know they don't lease them at the moment...



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Libya could afford new jets, Libya is one of the richest country on the African continent with a lot of Oil and a good Industry. Seems that you are talking about something you don't know about.

Who are you to decide what I know!? Think about what I said. The airline might not be interested in new jets at the moment. It may not be able to afford them or whatever. So stop taking every opportunity to bash the US.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Boeing4ever
Well, if you are assuming that the airline doesn't want to get new jets or that they can't afford it you simply don't know what you are talking about and thats not my problem in general.

LN wanted to buy plenty of Airbus aircraft but the reason why they didn't is well known ans has nothing to do that they can't afford it.

If you and your government don't want to be bashed I wouldn't justify that the USA has the right to prohibit Airbus to sell their planes to Libya only due to the reason that the US is the only country which has still an embargo on Libya. It's all about what you talk and what you do ...



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

I think France still has an embargo against Libya since they claim libyans are responsible for the UTA DC-10 that blew up over Chad in the late 80's/early 90's. Since Airbus is part French, I think this is what's holding up the deliveries. Not sure about this though. The777Man


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User currently offlineRedAirForce From Ukraine, joined Aug 1999, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Boeing4ever - don't bother arguing with Swissnitwit, he is a big fan of the Libyans; its wrong for the USA to say we won't trade with libya, but its ok for Libya to blow up aircraft to make their point ( oh, i forgot, they really were innocent of all that PanAm 103 stuff : ( .... Really smart logic.

So, don't argue with him, the Swiss are too busy anyway still running all those Al-Queda bank accounts they refuse to shut down. What a great "neutral" country! Ha!


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

RedAirForce,

Any source available where you get the information about the Al-Queda Swiss bank accounts? No? What a surprise.  Insane






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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

RedAirForce,

Libya's involvement in PanAm is not doubtless proven. There's still the theory that Iran is behind all. Libya is one of the US government's favourite enemies, that's what really counts. Truth is not so important...

Your comments about Switzerland are quite arrogant as well. Time for bombing some of those Swiss terrorist supporters, right?


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Manni,

That's exactly the problem. Sources or proofs is what often misses when the US government and its supporters call for action. If they showed us (and the world) more proofs and sources, there wouldn't be so many misunderstandings.

That's what we also want to see regarding Iraq: proofs that the threat is really big enough for an immediate military strike. The CIA or whatever American secret service claims to have so many proofs…surprisingly no other service backs that. And we know that France and Great Britain has very reliable services…
The whole issue seems to be an attempt by Bush junior to finish what his father failed to do.

Last time evidence was clearly shown on Osama bin Laden, the Taliban and Al-Qaida, the result was a broad alliance and a combined military strike. We could have the same against Iraq, the only little thing which is required is some evidence. Where is it? Powell has promised to show it to the allies, ok, now let’s wait.

Regarding Iran, it’s quite the same. The US have been talking about the evil regime supporting terrorism. Ok, but where is the evidence? And what about Cuba? Bush even declared Cuba to be a terrorist supporting country. I can only laugh about that…
Sorry, but I think the US government often just wants to keep some of its old enemies without having a serious interest in normalizing relations.

Don’t try to call me anti-American. I do always distinguish between the American people and its (often really doubtful) government. There are so many reasons why I like that country, the actions of some presidents cannot change my opinion about the nation as a whole. And if some believe it or not, while smiling at my California Republic flag over my desk, I’m looking extremely forward to my trip to L.A. on Thursday…


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

RedAirForce
Your comment does look quite smart and I'm pretty sure you could tell me about Iran Air which was shot down.
If you would know what you are talking about you would also know that Swiss Banks blocked more than 20% of the world wide Al-Qaida funds.

Fully agree Manni and Udo!



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User currently offlineM.Seles_Fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Wasn't the Iran Air plane flying in a war zone? And didn't the naval ship try to contact it twice with no response?

The timer that was used to blow up Pan Am 103 was made by a Swiss company: MEBO. The timers were specifically made for Libyan Intelligence. And the same device was used to blow up the French Airliner in 1989. I don't doubt Libya's guilt. But many family members believe that Pan Am 103 involved Iran and Syria as well. And I believe they are right.

And a lot of the US' non-involvement with Libya has to do with the American families of Pan Am 103. They are always putting pressure on every Administration that enters Washington.

--I don't doubt Libya can afford airplanes. They get 12 billion in oil revenues each year. But why would Libya get such big planes as an A-340? How many Libyans can afford to travel overseas? And what does Libya have to offer to bring people in?


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

What about this theory: every 'enemy' of the US was involved in PA 103: Libya, Iran, Syria. Possibly Iraq, North Korea, Sudan and Cuba as well?

Libya is a country of rich, ancient culture. There are many interesting sites to visit and not to forget the Libyan hospitality. I would have many reasons to visit Libya. By the way, for the same reasons would I like to visit Iran and Syria.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineRayPettit From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 608 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

To get back to the original question before we get over-involved in Swiss/American/Anyone-else bashing, Libyan Arab were recently using A320's on its London service, operated by Nouvelair, a Tunisian airline.

As ever, the original question tends to be used as an excuse to sound a well worn drum.

R



User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Boeing4ever
Well, if you are assuming that the airline doesn't want to get new jets or that they can't afford it you simply don't know what you are talking about and thats not my problem in general.

LN wanted to buy plenty of Airbus aircraft but the reason why they didn't is well known ans has nothing to do that they can't afford it.

If you and your government don't want to be bashed I wouldn't justify that the USA has the right to prohibit Airbus to sell their planes to Libya only due to the reason that the US is the only country which has still an embargo on Libya. It's all about what you talk and what you do ...


Sorry pal, I do know what I'm talking about. All you can do is sit here, bash the US and launch into conspiracy theories. You're credibility is nill. In your mind every cancelled Airbus order is a result of US political action. Don't assume that the EU is some sort of saint...it's very far from that. And I don't justify the US's right to prohibit sales on anything...I never said I did. That shows how you put words into peoples' mouths, further diminishing your credibility. As for the Iranian Airliner, it's well know that was an accident. The communications on that jetliner were busy when the US warship attempted to contact it. So no response was given. The ship assumed that it was therefore an Iranian F-14 coming inbound and fired a missle at it. Go watch the video shot by the ships crewmen, it goes from cheers, to silent horror.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers

PS---I don't doubt Libya can afford airplanes. They get 12 billion in oil revenues each year. But why would Libya get such big planes as an A-340? How many Libyans can afford to travel overseas? And what does Libya have to offer to bring people in?

Read that statement, but your anti-US bias aside, and think about it.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

the US has every right to block products made by her companies in her borders from being used by her enemies.

when libya is ready to rejoin the civilized world, the US I'm sure will be more than happy to restart dialogue. until, the US has no interest in doing anything for libya roughly the same goes for iran.

tnnh


25 Ammunition : right......... back to the topic..... Does this mean that all the countries that the USA has placed trade embargos on will opt for airbus once they ar
26 Post contains images Swissgabe : When libya is ready to rejoin the civilized world...??? Who makes the boarder between civilized world??? M.Seles_Fan Your example with the Swiss watch
27 Udo : Swissgabe, I can only agree! Regards Udo
28 Leo : On Sunday 1 September Lybian Arab was supposed to operate TIP-AMS return with a B737-500. We haven't seen any LAA aircraft for a while as flights are
29 Ts-ior : The UN sanctions on Lybia are no more and traffic from and to this country is fastly increasing. Before the sanctions,LAA used to operate two A310s w
30 M.Seles_Fan : "Your example with the Swiss watch used for a timer is as stupid as I would say American airlines have been used on Sep. 11. Everyone is able to buy
31 RogueTrader : Manni asks: RedAirForce, Any source available where you get the information about the Al-Queda Swiss bank accounts? No? What a surprise. French source
32 Swissgabe : M.Seles_Fan The only think I could take serious in what you said is the "LOL" thing... If you would have tried to understand us, we don't try to blame
33 Boeing4ever : If other nations would have made such accident I'm pretty sure your government would have put an embargo on them. If your government does it, well, it
34 Swissgabe : How was it with putting words into other mouths? I never denied that a Libyan INDIVIDUAL could have done this (COULD) but I doubt that the Libyan Gove
35 Boeing4ever : I didn't try to bash the US in this case, I tried that YOU don't bash other nations (in this case Libya). Did I somhow bash Libya by stating that thei
36 Swissgabe : So tell me then why you don't believe that there is a need for new airplanes in Libya and why do you think they can't afford it. Did you know that the
37 LJ : Funny thing is that the two A310's (c/n 295 and 306) Royal Jordanian leases to LAA were previously owned by LAA. LAA first flew the as 5A-DLA/B. later
38 KFRG : ""Or did the stupid guy who blow up the house in Oklahoma City first ask the President if it would be ok. Don't tell me this one." Hey genious, it was
39 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : So the Alfred P. Murrah Building was one giant abortion clinic? Wow I didn´t know that. Daniel
40 KFRG : Excuse me, I stand corrected. I meant to say Federal Building.
41 Boeing4ever : So tell me then why you don't believe that there is a need for new airplanes in Libya and why do you think they can't afford it. Did you know that the
42 Swissgabe : KFRG So guess you are Mr. Perfect or what. Beside English, do you speak other languages? Would love to see you writing in another language and I wonde
43 Post contains images SAS23 : B4e, yet again you're posting cr@p. Ask yourself this: how many airlines are there in the United States? Then ask how many airlines there are in Libya
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