Us330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4104 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5262 times:
Yes, a fair amount do, but they only exist as tag-ons. Because of cabotage rules, no non-US based carrier can operate a domestic US route and sell tickets only on the domestic portion. The passengers must be coming from or continuing onward to an international destination.
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5103 times:
BA wants the rights to be able to fly within the usa and pick pax up on the way, eg it flies heathrow to la and picks pax up in ny to fill its spare seats, therefore the pax in ny get to la on a cheaper flight. It wants this if there is full open skies between the usa and the uk because us carriers want to same right in the uk.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17269 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5032 times:
EVA flies dali between EWR and Seattle enroute to Taipei.
"BA wants the rights to be able to fly within the usa and pick pax up on the way, eg it flies heathrow to la and picks pax up in ny to fill its spare seats, therefore the pax in ny get to la on a cheaper flight. It wants this if there is full open skies between the usa and the uk because us carriers want to same right in the uk."
US carriers have no interest in flying passengers between LHR and Manchester etc, it's only Richard Branson that wants to fly within the US. BA just wants to launch their alliance with AA, BMI wants to allign closer with UAL.
Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4995 times:
I may be wrong....but I thought that I read that Canadian carriers have or will have the right to fly domestic U.S. routes and to pick up passengers. However, they do not exercise it at present because American carriers would be allowed to do the same on Canadian domestic routes.
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4887 times:
China Airlines has nonstops between Anchorage and
New York(JFK). It is part of the TPE-ANC-JFK flight.
Stopover traffic only for int'l passengers. (i.e. if you fly
TPE-JFK, you can visit ANC for a few days)
Delta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4863 times:
Typically, if a foreign airline had domestic traffic rights in the US, there would have to be some kind of reciprocal agreement with the foreign government. I do not know of any, though. Unless someone is certain to the contrary, it's a safe bet that no such flights exist today.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4849 times:
As mentioned, international airlines are not permitted to fly domestically in the US (with fare paying pax) due to cabotage rights. The closest to this is BA's IAD-IAH sector, although this is only a extension of the LHR-IAH flight.
AirOne From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4802 times:
I know South frican operates a flight from Johannesburg to Atlanta with a stop in Ft. Lauderdale (thats right, FLL not MIA). It only stops when bound for Atlanta, not on the way back ,so it is more of a technical stop. It touches down in FLL at some crazy hour, like 2:30 in the mourning so it can get to Atlanta at a reasonable hour.
Also, did or doesnt BA have a Pheonix to San Diego? I know that Eygpt Air also had a LAX-JFK.
AirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4772 times:
Only one I can think of is Korean from JFK-Anchorage, and yes you can buy tickets on this route.
Other than that, Ethiopian flies from Newark to Dulles, Saudi Arabian from JFK-Dulles and I believe Orlando as well. EgyptAir and Qantas from JFK-LAX, and EL Al from JFK to LAX/MIA and god knows where else, cant think of anything else at the moment. And no you cannot buy tickets on these flights.
PHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4669 times:
<< Qantas flies JFK-LAX and LAX-JFK you CANNOT buy tickets on this route. >>
Actually, this is not quite true. American codeshares the domestic leg of the Qantas flight, and you CAN buy an AA roundtrip JFK-LAX-JFK, operated by Qantas. I couldn't believe it myself, when I was looking for flights to PHX recently, but it' true: I booked the return flight using a connection via LAX, with the transcon operated by Qantas, and AA ticketed the itineray without problems.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17269 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4626 times:
"JFK-MAD-ATH, flying with paying passengers MAD-ATH",
What US airline does this?
No US airlines operate domestic flights in Europe, Pan Am and I believe TWA were allowed to fly from LHR, CDG and FRA to other countries in Europe. And Pan Am had a regional set up in Berlin, but that was awarded after WWII when there wasn't much of a German airline.
Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
25 Go Canada!
: ba has stated in the past it wishes to do this as part of any open skies package.
: Only one I can think of is Korean from JFK-Anchorage, and yes you can buy tickets on this route. You bring up a good point. This flight is code-shared
: According to DL's e-timetable, you can't fly JFK-ANC. DL has two "flights" from JFK to ICN daily, one n/s and one one-stop that we all know stops in A
: Philippine Airlines does Vancouver to San Francisco. They also do LAX and SFO to HNL for a technical stop on the way to MNL.
: El Al flies MIA-EWR with 777s during the low summer season (right now) and MIA-JFK with 744s during high summer. STT757, United flies LHR-BRU daily.
: "STT757, United flies LHR-BRU daily" Yeah they used to have a bunch of others from LHR they flew with 727s after PA. My point is though is that is not
: Aeroflot flys from SEA to SFO with a 777, I took a picture of it today
: Are you sure the PAL flight between SFO-HNL is a technical stop? I would think there would be a significant number of passengers flying between Honolu
: I was able to buy a non-rev pass on that China Air ANC-JFK leg that Bobcat brought up, when I worked for Reeve. NEver had the chance to however
: Any country which has negotiated the 8th or 9th Freedom rights with the US can carry passengers on domestic sectors within the US .I do think UK and U
: the routes that are domestic segments are stopover only no online connections.
: Spark, PAL lists the Honolulu stop as a "technical stop". I am unsure of whether or not passengers are also loaded at that time. I'm guessing no but a
: You can also buy tickets on Cathay Pacifics flight from JFK-YVR or even use AAdvantage miles on the route.
: My point is though is that is not domestic service, that's like BA flying from Toronto-NY which they are allowed to due and pick up Toronto-NY passeng
39 V Jet
: PHX Flyer unless its changed very recently, which it hasnt, AA should not have ticketed you transcon on the QF metal unless you also have a ticket on
: Hey- Yeah, as someone else said, MAD to ATH wouldn't be domestic. Ahich is like what Cathay Pacific does or used to do by flying JFK to Vancouver and