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VG/Delsey Airlines Nearly Bankrupt?  
User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7750 times:

I just heard a rumor that ILFC has taken 1 aircraft back from Vg/Delsey Airlines, because the lease wasn't paid. This aircraft should have been leased to MEA for a period of 3 months. VG/Delsey airlines is one aircraft short. So what are they doing to do on Sunday the 1st of September, IV 001 flies BRU-JFK-BOS.

I am a big fan of VG/Delsey Airlines but I think this could be the beginning of the end for VG/Delsey Airlines.

I also heard that Air Holland will be bankrupt by Tuesday.

A large advertising was in the news papers in Holland to ask support.

Can anybody tell me more about this.



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7593 times:

I also heard some rumours last days about a possible bankruptcy  Crying

So sad  Crying


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User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7592 times:

Skippy,

You mention you are a journalist and that you have a presscard... Why do you write here that you are a 'fan' of a specific airline? As a journalist you have to stay neutral and you must always keep some distance. Don't you have a deontological code to follow??? It's a shame for our profession what you do.

Pressclub
'Journalist'


User currently offlineTurbotrent From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 152 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7582 times:

Indeed, if the rumor is true, again very sad weeks for Belgian aviation  Crying

Greetz,

Tom



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User currently offlineTurbotrent From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 152 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7569 times:

@ Pressclub : It's a shame that you attack Skippy on such a personal way. I think Skippy wrote that as a human, and not as a journalist. I don't think that this discussion will be published in a newspaper or magazine, so skippy is free to write here what he want, I think. Again, I am really disappointed in your reaction, pressclub.

Tom



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7563 times:
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...I would rather say at last.

Don't take me wrong, with all respect I used to keep for "ex sabéniens" but it took me quite long to understand how VG/Delsey could manage to survive so long with 30 pax on flights to U.S west coast (LAX). From what I've always heard this company has always grown with a part of black money.

Anything was clear from the begining on...
When you run an airlines there is always a moment when you have to analyse your financial income and outcome and the daily pax figures, otherwise you go bankrupt.

The saddest part is that ex Sabena people have still been dumped.

But it was a lost bid from the very begining on.


Regards.


F.B




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User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7536 times:

@turbotrent thanks.

@pressclub, I am writing this indeed as a human person, I have no intentions to publish this story. Everybody knows that I did some work for VG Airlines.
I know how hard that they are still working, so please give them some credits.

Our are you that kind of Journalist that hopes that no airline will survive.
Maybe you are a big fan of SN Brussel Airlines and did you work for Sabena.
Maybe you hope that only SN will survive.

Please think first before you criticize me.


User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7552 times:

Tom,

Sorry but when you are a journalist, you are always a journalist ... Not only in your publications. The Belgian code is very clear and I respect it.

What i can say about Delsey/VG. I have heard that one of the Air holland Aircraft - i think the B 757- was leased from a Japanese bank via Tony Gram and Delsey/VG. So if it goes wrong with Air Holland, Gram and Delsey/VG have a B 757 they don't need at all.

This whole story is so stupid. Tony Gram took over Air Holland after a discussion that only lasted 4 hrs. So he didn't look into the financial books at all... So hed din't even know the exact debt rate of Air Holland.

He didn't know that the dutch charter business is so difficult with so many players involved (Martinair, Dutchbird, Transavia, Air Holland...)...














User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7528 times:

Skippy,

How can you be a journalist and 'do some work for an airline'???? How can you stay independent by doing this?

I give credits to everybody. I really hope we have a nice aviation business in our country, only when this exists I can do my job. I didn't work for SN BA/Sabena... I only work for my editor, he is the only one who pays me.

As a human being I hope that my many many friends in this industry are happy.

Am I a fan of SN Brussels? I can only say you this. I was the first to write in my newspaper that the marketingdirector was fired, the chief pilot was fired, that the COO was fired and that the occup rate is lower than expected... Do you really think that ' a fan' writes this? So I think I am really independent in my work.

Believe me, in the long term staying neutral is the only sustainable approach for a journalist. My readers deserve it, they pay the price of the newspaper to get unbiassed and correct news. I know that you travelled with Delsey for free to the US but please don't let your mind be influenced by this.

But let's stop this discussion and write about Delsey and Air Holland!  Smile






User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

As I have already said on here some days ago, a reliable source within ILFC told me that Delsey/VG are in default on their lease payments for the A330s. They have until the end of the month (ie today, 31 August) to cure the default otherwise aircraft will be reposessed. How many aircraft are affected he wouldn't say, but this ties in with Skippy's report.

Their operation JFK-BOS is crazy. Either the aircraft will have a triangular routing - BRU-JFK-BOS-BRU - or a round-trip routing BRU-JFK-BOS-JFK-BRU. If the former, then where will the aircraft be turned around? If BOS, this means that pax originating in JFK for BRU will have to stay on board the aircraft whilst it is cleaned etc; and if in JFK then the pax from BRU for BOS will have to stay on board in JFK whilst the cleaning and catering is carried out. Don't forget VG will not have traffic rights between JFK and BOS.

If the latter, then considering their loads are so poor, they would be better off just flying pax on the Delta Shuttle between BOS and JFK.

Either way, pax will be inconvenienced and they will be more likely to fly with a professional airline rather than these cowboys ...  Insane  Yeah sure


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

If the latter, then considering their loads are so poor, they would be better off just flying pax on the Delta Shuttle between BOS and JFK.

The fact that this doesn't happen, is it because DL does not thrust the financial situation of VG? I mean, that they are afraid that they will not get the money of the pax that VG puts on their flights?

Regards,
Frederic



User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

Frederic, I suspect this is probably the case. Remember Freddy saying with much fanfare that Delta would be VG's 'partners'?

Does anyone know whether the airports, fuel and catering companies have put Delsey (and Air Holland) on a 'cash only' basis yet? If so, that usually indicates an airline about to go under.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7421 times:

These rumours about a possible bankruptcy for VG seem to live only on A.net.
I just got back from the airport, and yesterday, and the day before yesterday,... and never heard anything about it.

If there is nothing to write about, dont make up something but just dont write. By doing so, you're losing your credibility.
Anyway, tomorrow I'll ask a few people of the companies who do handling, catering, fueling etc. if they heard anything about it, or if there is indeed a 'cash only' rule for VG.



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User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

A friend of mine is a captain B757 at Air Holland and they are allready on a cash alone bases at certain airports. He flies around with an enveloppe containing 10000USD just in case of!

Not very funny, I can tell you that much.......


User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7391 times:

@pressclub

VG/Delsey airlines is not in my voting list for best airline so I stay independent even if Tony Gram would say please. No independent is my keyword for my researches. I have proved that in the past with KLM as well.

But lets discuss if VG/Delsey will go bankrupt.



User currently offlinePressclub From Belgium, joined Nov 2001, 774 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7391 times:

But why you say that you are a journalist and that you work for an airline AT THE SAME TIME??? This is a big contradiction. A journalist can't work for an airline. I sincerely hope you are not a guy who approaches airlines and tell them that he is a journalist in order to get free tickets... And please, explain me why you mention that you are journalist and at the same time you work for an airline quality website... May I ask you for which publications that you work?




User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7357 times:

Hi Pressclub,

Just have a look at http://www.travelquality.com

He has something to do with that website......

Greetz


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7348 times:

SAS23

INS and U.S. CUSTOMS regulations state that the port of entry concerning pax coming from abroad is the 1st airport a plane lands at

that means if the flight makes BRU-JFK-BOS for example, pax can't stay in the plane at JFK but clear INS and CUSTOMS instead!! and re-enter the same plane  Nuts
to take a JFK-BOS shuttle would be a simpler choice and the A332 would ferry to BOS



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User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

Varig md-11 - thanks for that. Clearly, the best (and most convenient for the pax) solution would be for VG to operate just to JFK and provide transport JFK-BOS-JFK for any pax travelling between BRU and BOS.

That they have not done this speaks volumes about the quality of their management!  Insane


User currently offlineKenny From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

Well, It would be very sad for Belgian Aviation to see another airline go bankrupt.

But on the other hand, I believed in SN Brussels Airlines & Sobelair as seperate airlines, but never believed in the VG/Delsey Airlines. Sabena cancelled several transatlantic flights because they didn't get money on it, so why would VG get money on it?
There are simply to much airlines that go to America on such a small distance: BA (UK), KLM (Netherlands), AF (France) and Lufthansa (Germany). Then also yet another from Belgium? No, that wouldn't be a good idea, it would be a better idea to join forces with all the airlines that fly to America. For example: all flights start at Heatthrow, and the passengers from Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, France,... will be flown first to Heatthrow, there an aircraft of one of the participating airlines should be used to travel to America. Then you can make money (in my idea).

I surely hope they'll survive!

Greetz,
Kenny


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7272 times:
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I don't think those rumours are unfounded at all.

If VG flies BRU-JFK-BOS, it clearly means they have one aircraft less.

I wonder which pax will be stupid enough to fly them with such routing !!! The flight takes already 45 mins longer than with Delta.


FB.



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User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7260 times:

Yes, I heard the rumours too. But let's wait and see what will happen. Perhaps Delsey Airlines' owner Gram is going to let Air holland bankrupted. Than Gram will buy the stock of aircraft and the capable personnel, throwing out the Air Holland mis-managers and than he will perhaps re-colour the aircraft, including it's own 2 remaining VG Airlines A332's into Delsey Airlines livery.

Advantages:
He doesn't have to take back his 3rd VG A332
He can add smaller aircraft to his fleet (B752's)
He operates on 2 markets with one brand: Belgium and Holland
He will get rid of uncapable managers

Smart guy this Mr. Gram in case this scenario becomes true!!!!!!!!

To Pressclub: Give me a break. I'm a journalist and I'm a fan of Delsey Airlines too. Sorry to have my personal opinion. I'm off duty now: I'm not the holy spirit neither Skippy777 is.


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

Boeing777/747, I have already said on the other thread you started about this that your scenario is a complete non-starter.

1) Delsey/VG has even worse management than Air Holland

2) Air Holland does not own any of its aircraft.

3) Multiple aircraft types in a small fleet are a bad idea ... especially when one of those types (the 767) does the same job as another type (the A330). From a commonality viewpoint, the 757/767 fleet makes more sense.

4) The Benelux market is effectively one already as the distances are so short, especially with high speed rail links such as the Thalys.

5) If he wanted to rename Air Holland as Delsey then he could do so now, without waiting for it to go must ... apparently, he owns 100% of the shares.

However, this presents him with a problem - under EU law, airlines operating to destinations outside the EU must be 51% owned by nantionals of the country of registration of the airline. No problem for the likes of Ryanair which only operate within the EU; but a major problem for Air Holland - especially with their long haul operations. Is Tony Gram Belgian - in which case Air Holland will lose its rights; or Dutch - in which case it is Delsey that will lose them?


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

It seems that there are lot's of aviation journalists in Holland  Big grin

@Boeing777/747:

I heard a rumour that Delsey wants to use a B752 of Air Holland on the BRU-BOS flight, and this rumour passes in the scenario you wrote there!

You were talking about big news coming of Delsey Airlines, do you know what this news is going about?

Regards,
Frederic



User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7181 times:

Dear Frederic,

Believe me I really do not have a clue yet. I'm just standing at the side line, we all have to wait and see. Unfortunately the future for Air Holland is not bright and for Delsey the situation is, to my opinion, uncertain. I think that Delsey is working on a revised strategy by operating smaller aircraft (B752's of Air Holland) and adding new profitable routes operated by A332 and B763.

Might be that I'm wrong at the end and that things are going totally different than I expected...


25 Sabena 690 : and adding new profitable routes operated by A332 and B763. So two different long haul planes?? And this is a strategy? I think that it is logical tha
26 Boeing777/747 : Sorry folks, only in Dutch...for now. It's over with Air Holland. Reizen van 15.000 toeristen omgegooid Noodplan Air Holland vakanties Hotelplan en OA
27 Leo : The famous Belgian aviation pioneer Mr. Freddy van Gaever now holds the Dutch Government responsible for mismanagement at Air Holland !!!! ...........
28 Sabena 690 : Any official confirmation yet? Reactions of HLN? What are the consequences for Gramm and Delsey Airlines? Regards, Frederic
29 Post contains links 1stspotter : Hi, The english translation of the upcoming Air Holland bankruptcy can be found at the link below. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviati
30 Skippy777 : @marcel, your translation in English of the Air Holland story Lots of articles in the dutch media about the to be expected soon bankruptcy of Air Holl
31 Post contains images SAS23 : It seems like half the people on A.net could run an airline better than those clowns Gram and van Gaever! I am frankly amazed that Gram has made as mu
32 DutchDeltaDude : Boeing777/747: the article states that bankruptcy is expected now that Air Holland has lost two major customers. You should not translate that by writ
33 Boeing777/747 : You're right but believe me it will be over very soon, open you eyes. The company will vanish or might be re-branded as Delsey Airlines. The name and
34 Post contains links and images Established02 : > The company (Air Holland) will vanish or might be re-branded as Delsey Airlines. The VG/Delsey colour scheme contains a Belgian flag in the tail log
35 Airbuspilot : Latest news from VG airlines: * New York Night stop is canceled for the crews. Crews will fly one leg and immediately return together with the airplan
36 Airbuspilot : Sorry, apparently someone has been over enthousiastic here... Flight will be New-York/Boston with a nightstop in Boston...... Sorry about that one!
37 Sabena 690 : Wow, this is breaking news, Airbuspilot! Thanks for it! Beirut! Former low yield destination of Sabena. Things are moving in their strategy apparently
38 LJ : Van Gaever: "What is happening now you expect to see in a banana republic, not in the Netherlands. We thought that the bookkeeping and the airline wer
39 Skippy777 : I just had news, that today an article has been placed in a Belgium newspaper, that Tony Gram is saying goodbye to Freddy. Tony is taking over Delsey
40 Post contains images Established02 : > I have seen the new livery of Delsey airlines already. > Four designs and they look great. > No Belgium flag on three of them > don't tell anybody A
41 SAS23 : I thought Tony Gram already owned 100% of the shares of Delsey? No wonder he wants to get rid of van Gaever, but he also needs to make sure that he ge
42 Post contains images SAS23 : Well, the answer for Air Holland is 8 days... they have until the 10th to get themselves refinanced and all outstanding debts paid or renegotiated. Fa
43 Skippy777 : yes on the 11th of september (another black 11th of september) air Holland will be over. and no Tony didn't own 100% of the shares from VG Airlines, b
44 Sabena 690 : Oops, I saw a mistake I made. Forget my above posting, I thought that Airbuspilot meant flights from Brussels to Beirut, but of course, he means the M
45 Post contains images SAS23 : Frederic, that's what I heard as well - which was what triggered my post on another thread where I pointed out that if 50% or more of the shares were
46 Established02 : > if 50% or more of the shares were held by Gram as a Belgian national, > Air Holland would lose its rights to fly to non EU destinations I guess we'r
47 Leo : The Air Holland B757's were parked in a far, dim and dark corner of Schiphol this morning. Is this the end.. .........................................
48 SAS23 : I hear that Delsey/Tony Gram have refused to invest another €uro in Air Holland ... and that all of Air Holland's suppliers have put them on a "cash
49 LJ : No Leo, Air Holland will fly to IST on the 4th (and do the regular AMS-CDG-JIB-CDG-AMS flight for Daalo) I wonder if HLN will do the Fortaleze flight
50 Skippy777 : Tony paid an certain amount (12 milj.) not sure if they where BF or euros or Dollars. But the depth was over 57 milj.. I have heard this conversation
51 Pressclub : In the Belgian press appeared nothing about a conflict between Van Gaever and Gram. I checked all articles via our intermedia database that links all
52 LJ : Skippy777, sorry to say it but Tony G. is in no position to complain. If he didn't look at HLN's books properly prior to investing into the airline (w
53 Post contains images SAS23 : I think everyone here agrees that FvG knows less than nothing about the airline industry!! I wonder if after Delsey goes under, TG will send his buddi
54 Flying Belgian : Yesterday I talked to a VG steward and his purser. They were on duty for the BRU-JFK-BOS. they said that the situation and the schedules were ever cha
55 Skippy777 : @ Pressclub, Think what you think. The information given is coming directly from Delsey Airlines. I am closer to the fire than you are. People have to
56 Post contains images Gaut : @skippy777 Pressclub is just jealous because you have more news about Delsey Airlines than he has. Gaut Pressclub tu te prends trop au sérieux...soit
57 Boeing777/747 : Ofcourse I agree with Skippy777. It's a very, very bad thing what Cees Van Dormael has done to TG and it's own former company Air Holland. The whole i
58 Pressclub : Gaut, Sorry to disappoint you: I had recently scoops enough and the Air Holland/Delsey Saga doesn't deserve more attention than it already gets... Sk
59 LJ : Pressclub, I think you give A.B. too much credit (it's not that the situation at HLN was unknown prior to his article and allthough he's probably one
60 Skippy777 : @LJ sorry to say but this happend while Vg airlines was already flying schedule rourtes. Just before the Lax flights started.
61 Boeing777/747 : @ LJ LJ, one very BIG misstake you made, buddy! Do not say it again that you can exchange two totally different people for oneother. The differences:
62 Skippy777 : Wetlease contract with MEA extended !!!!!! The Delsey A330 is in Beirut Until at least Sunday: today ME428/429 DXB, tomorrow ME 215 BEY-LHR-afternoon
63 Gaut : Hello guys For poeple interested in the VG/Delsey case, the RTBF (Belgian TV) will devote, on the 23th of october, one hour of emission recalling the
64 LJ : @LJ sorry to say but this happend while Vg airlines was already flying schedule rourtes. Just before the Lax flights started. Either you're wrong with
65 Skippy777 : @LJ No I am not wrong. a complete crew was flown to Ams ( on a KLM flight ) because of a incoming flight to Ams( most likely a charter for Air Holland
66 SAS23 : So let me get this straight. Freddy would rather provide aircraft to an airline that never paid him a cent - Air Holland - rather than a profitable on
67 Skippy777 : Freddy wanted to help Air Holland. As every other airline would do with a workcompany owned by the same boss.
68 Post contains images SAS23 : Was this before or after Air Holland admitted they had defrauded VG by ordering services without having the money to pay for them? If I was Freddy and
69 Skippy777 : Before Sas23 at the beginning of may I believe.
70 LJ : If I understand you correctly. On Saturday 22nd VG sends a crew to AMS on KLM to do a flight on Sunday 23rd (I'm pretty sure this must be the date you
71 Post contains images SAS23 : OK, Skippy777 ... so at that point Tony Gram didn't even hold any shares in them! (He got them after Air Holland admitted they had no money to pay for
72 Post contains images LJ : He also flown them back to BRU on KLM, which leaves the question why he just didn't fly his own A330 to BRU (together which the crew which operated th
73 Post contains images Sabena 690 : Yesterday (05/09), MEA was operating the BEY-LHR flight with an A310, today I saw the Delsey Airlines logojet landing in LHR on Runway 27R (the spotte
74 Skippy777 : Yes the livery is great from VG and by the way I also saw the New delsey livery. Black and red with no belgium flag on the wingtips. Great livery, may
75 1stspotter : Hi, Air Holland made at least two flights for Air France on Friday and Saturday. Air France pilots were on strike so I suppose Air France hired Air Ho
76 1stspotter : Hi, Air Holland is also flying a weekly Gatwick-Larnaca-Gatwick rotation, besides the Air Gabon operation. regards, Marcel
77 Sabena 690 : Hi Marcel, Air Holland is also flying a weekly Gatwick-Larnaca-Gatwick rotation, besides the Air Gabon operation. I guess you mean Gatwick - Librevill
78 LJ : No, Sabena690, the LBV-LGW-LBV, is the scheduled flight operated with the PH-AHE (the 757 wet leased to Air Gabon), the Larnaca rotation starts at LGW
79 Sabena 690 : Thanks, Laurens! In Brussels, we got the 747, but now we get a 752 here. Regards, Frederic
80 Boeing777/747 : Today, "doomsday" for Air Holland? Air Holland is sued by Eurocontrol and has to go to court today (Tuesday September 10, 2002). 99% chance that Air H
81 SAS23 : No chance! There are far better - and better managed - airlines in the Dutch market already, which has serious overcapacity problems. No, if Air Holla
82 Pothiabs : I also fear that this will be the case.
83 1stspotter : Hi, Air Holland has got four weeks time to find an investor so the debts of the airline can be paid. This was decided by the court of justice on Tuesd
84 Skippy777 : In the meanwhile Delsey airlines has appointed Mr. Bijan Mougouee as Vice President Commercial & Business Development. He started Friday the 6th of Se
85 SN-A330 : In the meanwhile Delsey airlines has appointed Mr. Bijan Mougouee Skippy777, who is Bijan Mougouee ? Thanks. Regards, SN-A330
86 Skippy777 : I wouldn't have a clue. He has been appointed as Vice President. I am going to speak to him soon, but no more information than the name. If anybody el
87 Post contains images Skippy777 : But this is a very nice new livery made by Lila Design, They will make a second start with Delsey for sure. Good job Air Orange even better than VG li
88 SN-A330 : That's a great livery. Congrats to Norbert ! Regards, SN-A330
89 Post contains images SAS23 : Hmmm, I have to say that in my opinion it is nowhere near as refined or as stylish as the original VG livery ... it seems to be too 'busy'. I especial
90 Skippy777 : Delsey is really starting they also have codeshare flightys between Franfurt and Brussel on BERLINJET/IBERTRANS AEREA. Something new for me flight num
91 Flying Belgian : Just to let you know... this morning the VG/Delsey flight from JFK-BOS landed with 12 pax on board. The operating redcap in BRU was a bit surprised be
92 Skippy777 : Well all the pax are down currently on the 11th of September, not only those of Delsey airlines. Especially the flights to and from JFK.
93 LJ : Sorry to say it but the tail is very urgly, however, the rest is good BTW does anyone if Delsey restricts looking into the number of K, L and M fares
94 Sabena 690 : Mm, mixed feelings about the colourscheme. I prefer the current Delsey logojet. Couldn't they just remove the Belgian flag from it? Would be more chea
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