Steman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 8 Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1999 times:
a good friend of mine who works for Alitalia and who has a lot of links with insiders in the Company, recently told me that KLM is going to join the SkyTeam alliance.
I was simply incredulous and I said that such an agreement wouldn't work because of many reasons: KLM's American partner Northwest and Continental would have a lot of problems in joining forces with Delta. Not to mention all the antitrust issues that this would cause.
KLM's hub would go in conflict with CDG and MXP.
But then I have read in this site that NW/CO and DL have signed a codeshare agreement and that this may lead to the entrance of the former in the Skyteam alliance.
what is going to happen?
Didn't SkyTeam say that they wanted to keep the alliance small in terms of members in order to focus on the customer?
How would the aviation panorama change in Europe?
I don't know why but I feel that having KLM in the alliance wouldn't be good for Alitalia.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3656 posts, RR: 29 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1855 times:
Alain, AF is not involved in the domestic tie up of DL with NW/CO. Overtime the NW/CO alliance will possibly move into Skyteam. KL is having their own talks with AF at this time. The international alliance part of the deal isn't set in stone... it won't happen unless DL/NW/CO can get their plan through the US Gov't.
It's a shame that the creators and pioneers of the alliance as we know it today have to merge their work into the brand of a "green" alliance.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22 Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1819 times:
I think the main reason KL is interested in joining the SkyTeam alliance is that DL, NW, and CO are actively trying to integrate their operations back in the States. If all is successful, we'll see all three Wings Alliance airlines in SkyTeam.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1798 times:
Well, good you didn't forget about HV
CO is not part of Wings, they only have some codeshares with them...
KLM has been talking about partnerships with European airlines for a decade or so.
All of those talks have always come to nothing at all because of KLM's attitude of superiority (like wanting equal powers in an alliance with an airline 10 times their size). Unless this time they are going to go into the negotiations with an open attitude and accept that they're the junior partner, this partnership with AF too will fail.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3656 posts, RR: 29 Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1765 times:
OK - so there is no such thing as WINGS. This was a brand coined by the media to characterize the NW/KL alliance. NW/KL have many partners that allow each other to access all parts of the world. The deal between NW/CO/DL is strictly in the states first... but it could lead to NW/KL/CO joining skyteam.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
I don't think either the US Justice Department or the European Commission will permit all these airlines to coordinate schedules, pricing, and share revenue, frequent flyer programs, etc....so easily. After all, you are talking about the third, fourth, and fifth largest US carriers (DL, NW, and CO), Europe's second largest airline (AF), along with two other large European carriers (KL and AZ, which incidentally, have had an acrimonious, and short-lived attempt at an alliance in 1998-9), and a dominance in the Latin America market, thanks to Aeromexico and Continental's route maps in the region, and a considerable trans-pacific presence (NW, CO, KAL).
The combination of Wings and SkyTeam would dwarf OneWorld and Star by a landslide but it could also rewrite the way airlines do business as competitors and partners.
Flpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2120 posts, RR: 31 Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1604 times:
I personally would not yet push aside the idea of KLM/COA/NWA joining SkyTeam or at least either KLM and one of the 2 aforementioned US carriers. It would take a lot of convincing for the US Justice Dep't or the EC but it's not entirely out of the question. The partnership between DL/CO/NW is just one more step closer, in my opinion.