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Pan Am Route System Circa 1972  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4920 posts, RR: 25
Posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5773 times:
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Picked up a 30 year old Pan Am timetable from a memorabilia store this past weekend (it was effective for the Feb 1 to Apr 29 1972 time period) and boy, not only did Pan Am fly to some far-flung cities one could not fathom flying the American flag today, but the long, roundabout routes they took to get there...in one word AMAZING! Here are some examples:

PA 76 New York-Keflavik-Glasgow-Hamburg-Warsaw 707 Tuesdays only
PA 152 New York-Boston-Santa Maria-Lisbon-Casablanca 707 Thursdays only
PA 186 New York-Dakar-Monrovia-Abidjan-Cotonou-Douala 707 Mondays only
PA 188 New York-Dakar-Monrovia-Accra-Lagos-Entebbe-Nairobi 707 Thursdays only
PA 254 Miami-San Juan-Lisbon-Madrid-Rome 707 Tuesdays/Saturdays only
PA 811 LAX-Honolulu-Nadi-Sydney-Denpasar-Hong Kong 747 LAX-SYD;707 SYD-HKG Wed only
PA 842 Saigon-Manila-Guam-Honolulu-San Francisco 747
PA 114 New York-Paris-Rome-Beirut-Damascus-Tehran 747 NYthru Rome; 707 Rome thru Tehran Tuesdays only (imagine flying an American carrier between Beirut, Damascus, and Tehran!)

and of course, a sample routing of the crown jewel RTW 747 route:

PA 2 New York-LHR-FRA-Istanbul-Beirut-Delhi-Bangkok-Hong Kong-Tokyo-Honolulu-Los Angeles...no wonder PA 2 was always a day late by the time it got to Bangkok or HongKong...

Pan Am...truly a legend in its time....

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User currently offlineNz767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

Oh for the days before codeshare came along.
Look at those African destinations that were served.
Interesting to note, that no US carrier serves the African continent anymore.  Smile


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3179 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5694 times:

Check on ebay for old timetables! They have a great selection!


14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

Were these routes profitable? I imagine they had to stop at each of these cities....who travelled on these flight?

regards,
vs11


User currently offlineLeo From China, joined May 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

Pan Am's timetable was perfectly normal for that time. All airlines operated long-haul with plenty of stops and at very low frequencies.

Only with today's long-haul capability do we find them strange.

Lufthansa:
FRA-AMS-LAX with B707 and B747, FRA-LAX was not yet possible non-stop.

KLM:
AMS-FRA-ZRH-LIS-Port of Spain-Caracas-Curacao-Panama-Quito-Lima with DC8
AMS-ZRH-FCO-Beirut-Karachi-Bankok-Singapore-Sydney-Melbourne with B747

BA:
LHR-FRA-ATH-KHI-CMB-SIN

etc.




User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Lufthansa:
FRA-AMS-LAX with B707 and B747, FRA-LAX was not yet possible non-stop.


Leo,

you can see in the James Bond movie "Diamond Fever" that Roger Moore is flying with LH from AMS to LAX but I guess that the plane is a DC-10.

Patrick

Btw: Very interesting that PA has served so many destinations in Africa.


User currently offlineConair From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

In 1972 from memory LH Flew a FRA-ATH-KWI-DEL-BKK-HKG TYO flight with B747 aircraft I seem to remember that in mid 1972 this flight was hijacked with the late president Kennedy's Children aboard allthough the people doing the deed did'nt know it! I seem to remember that at the time the world's largest ransom was paid secretly in Beirut to secure the release of aircraft & passengers. I can remember flying on PA55 in 1986 from Heathrow to Franfurt which was an extension of (I Think) the DTW-LHR route with B747 and we flew on to FRA on an A310 and coming back a few days later on PA103 which was a B737 aircraft before changeing to B747 at LHR to go on to JFK

Regard's
Conair


User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

Thanks Panamair...I remember flying LAX-HNL on 811 and connecting to 841 very late at night on my way to MNL when I was a young lad.

The return, of course, brought me back on 842 and 812(?). I remember it like it was yesterday...my first international trip ever and the unexpected (by me) stop at GUM. Unbeknownst to me, I had dropped my ticket and boarding pass while disembarking at the air terminal as it poured down rain. I thought I was going to be stuck in Guam the rest of my life! Fortunately, someone turned in my tickets to a flight attendant and we were reunited.

I remember spending hours reading over the PA timetable while in the Philippines. Couldn't wait to get back on board the big 747 and head home.

Picarus


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

My grandparents friend flew PA 76 to New York from Warsaw with one of the Pan Am 707s..............damn im jealous

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

Patrick,

it was a 707 alright in the Bond movie (the original title was "Diamonds are Forever" if I remember correctly). I don´t really know whether LH ever really offered such an AMS-LAX flight or whether they were simply the highest bidder to be featured in the movie Big grin . After all, as we all know, the studios give a shit about correctness when it comes to aviation matters... One of the weakest Bond movies in my opinion, but that´s of course a completely different matter.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineSoupthansa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5357 times:



User currently offlineSoupthansa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5357 times:



PAN AM ROUTE MAP AUGUST 1971


User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5319 times:

Lufthansa did indeed stop at AMS on it's FRA-LAX route. Diamonds Are Forever correctly illustrated the aircraft as a 707C the type which was actually used on this routing.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5319 times:

@ Daniel: You are correct, the original title was "Diamonds are Forever" as well as the theme song. The German title is Diamantenfieber so I thought it was the same in English. In my opinion was it one of the best Bond movies ever.

@ Soupthansa: Thanks a lot for the scans, very interesting to see the PA network from 1971.

Patrick


User currently offlineLeo From China, joined May 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5302 times:

Lufthansa operated FRA-AMS-LAX initially three times weekly with B707-300 and later 4x weekly with B747-200.

As the outbound and return flight crossed in AMS it was possible to see two LH B747 long-haul flights in AMS in the early and mid-1970's.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5299 times:

OK, now I believe you guys, it was a 707. Sorry but it was a long time ago when I saw the movie. As Airsicknessbag wrote, usually the studios give a shit about the aviation scenes but in this movie they are correct as always in Bond movies.

Patrick


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

And did they have full traffic rights AMS-LAX?

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

Good God - that route map is incredible... I can't see how those flights to Africa and those Pacific islands (was Wake Island really popular in those days?) could be profitable under any circumstances. Still, it must have been supremely satisfying to airline management and the US in general to have this unmatched level of world service - and true round the world flights. I think, however, that within this route map, as great as it is, also lies the reason why Pan Am failed.

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

>>>Interesting to note, that no US carrier serves the African continent anymore.<<<


I thought Delta still flew to Cairo. Did they end that? I know AA stopped Cairo when they took over TW.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 771 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

hmm....wondering how much movies they showed on those PA flights.... Big grin


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

DL had a flight with M11 to CAI that continues to DXB but unfortunately they stop flying this route.

Patrick


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 5047 times:

They need to update their website - the destination map still shows they serve CAI.




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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Hey,that timeframe was when I was born! The first 2 Bond movies had PA 707's to Kingston and Istambul. Diamonds are Forever was a 707. Bond flew to San Monique in Live and Let Die.


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2041 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

Interesting to see from those scanned 1971 maps that Pan Am did not serve Paris at all. I seem to remember reading that Pan Am and TWA split up certain sections of Europe in the early 1970s in order to cut losses on longer, thinner routes.

If that's true, I guess TWA got Paris. In my 1974 TWA timetable, TWA has lots of flights from Paris across the Atlantic and throughout Europe.


User currently offlineClipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4963 times:
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An agreement reached in Oct-1974 called for TWA to suspend its routes across the Pacific and east to Saudi Arabia, including Honolulu, Guam, Taipei, Okinawa, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Bombay, routes to Germany, and the LHR-IAD route;

In return Pan Am would suspend routes to France, Austria, Portugal, Spain, Morocco, LHR-ORD/LAX/PHI (though PA kept the MIA-SJU-LIS-MAD-FCO route).

These routes were cut Feb/Mar-1975.


25 Jessman : I think I see Paris on the top scanned map, it appears as a white dot to the south of London. It seems to have a white line to London and then on to t
26 Clipper471 : In addition to my last post... While Pan Am ended Paris service in 1975. They recommenced service to Paris by way of the National Airlines acquisition
27 Clipper471 : I further notice that beginning Apr-1978 Pan Am reintroduced service to Paris. Though, the only flight was a LHR-CDG Boeing 727 flight, a continuation
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