Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4794 posts, RR: 25 Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5330 times:
Picked up a 30 year old Pan Am timetable from a memorabilia store this past weekend (it was effective for the Feb 1 to Apr 29 1972 time period) and boy, not only did Pan Am fly to some far-flung cities one could not fathom flying the American flag today, but the long, roundabout routes they took to get there...in one word AMAZING! Here are some examples:
PA 76 New York-Keflavik-Glasgow-Hamburg-Warsaw 707 Tuesdays only
PA 152 New York-Boston-Santa Maria-Lisbon-Casablanca 707 Thursdays only
PA 186 New York-Dakar-Monrovia-Abidjan-Cotonou-Douala 707 Mondays only
PA 188 New York-Dakar-Monrovia-Accra-Lagos-Entebbe-Nairobi 707 Thursdays only
PA 254 Miami-San Juan-Lisbon-Madrid-Rome 707 Tuesdays/Saturdays only
PA 811 LAX-Honolulu-Nadi-Sydney-Denpasar-Hong Kong 747 LAX-SYD;707 SYD-HKG Wed only
PA 842 Saigon-Manila-Guam-Honolulu-San Francisco 747
PA 114 New York-Paris-Rome-Beirut-Damascus-Tehran 747 NYthru Rome; 707 Rome thru Tehran Tuesdays only (imagine flying an American carrier between Beirut, Damascus, and Tehran!)
and of course, a sample routing of the crown jewel RTW 747 route:
PA 2 New York-LHR-FRA-Istanbul-Beirut-Delhi-Bangkok-Hong Kong-Tokyo-Honolulu-Los Angeles...no wonder PA 2 was always a day late by the time it got to Bangkok or HongKong...
Conair From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4975 times:
In 1972 from memory LH Flew a FRA-ATH-KWI-DEL-BKK-HKG TYO flight with B747 aircraft I seem to remember that in mid 1972 this flight was hijacked with the late president Kennedy's Children aboard allthough the people doing the deed did'nt know it! I seem to remember that at the time the world's largest ransom was paid secretly in Beirut to secure the release of aircraft & passengers. I can remember flying on PA55 in 1986 from Heathrow to Franfurt which was an extension of (I Think) the DTW-LHR route with B747 and we flew on to FRA on an A310 and coming back a few days later on PA103 which was a B737 aircraft before changeing to B747 at LHR to go on to JFK
Picarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4942 times:
Thanks Panamair...I remember flying LAX-HNL on 811 and connecting to 841 very late at night on my way to MNL when I was a young lad.
The return, of course, brought me back on 842 and 812(?). I remember it like it was yesterday...my first international trip ever and the unexpected (by me) stop at GUM. Unbeknownst to me, I had dropped my ticket and boarding pass while disembarking at the air terminal as it poured down rain. I thought I was going to be stuck in Guam the rest of my life! Fortunately, someone turned in my tickets to a flight attendant and we were reunited.
I remember spending hours reading over the PA timetable while in the Philippines. Couldn't wait to get back on board the big 747 and head home.
Airsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4924 times:
it was a 707 alright in the Bond movie (the original title was "Diamonds are Forever" if I remember correctly). I don´t really know whether LH ever really offered such an AMS-LAX flight or whether they were simply the highest bidder to be featured in the movie . After all, as we all know, the studios give a shit about correctness when it comes to aviation matters... One of the weakest Bond movies in my opinion, but that´s of course a completely different matter.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
@ Daniel: You are correct, the original title was "Diamonds are Forever" as well as the theme song. The German title is Diamantenfieber so I thought it was the same in English. In my opinion was it one of the best Bond movies ever.
@ Soupthansa: Thanks a lot for the scans, very interesting to see the PA network from 1971.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4856 times:
OK, now I believe you guys, it was a 707. Sorry but it was a long time ago when I saw the movie. As Airsicknessbag wrote, usually the studios give a shit about the aviation scenes but in this movie they are correct as always in Bond movies.
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4820 times:
Good God - that route map is incredible... I can't see how those flights to Africa and those Pacific islands (was Wake Island really popular in those days?) could be profitable under any circumstances. Still, it must have been supremely satisfying to airline management and the US in general to have this unmatched level of world service - and true round the world flights. I think, however, that within this route map, as great as it is, also lies the reason why Pan Am failed.
Jsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1994 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4530 times:
Interesting to see from those scanned 1971 maps that Pan Am did not serve Paris at all. I seem to remember reading that Pan Am and TWA split up certain sections of Europe in the early 1970s in order to cut losses on longer, thinner routes.
If that's true, I guess TWA got Paris. In my 1974 TWA timetable, TWA has lots of flights from Paris across the Atlantic and throughout Europe.
Clipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4520 times:
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An agreement reached in Oct-1974 called for TWA to suspend its routes across the Pacific and east to Saudi Arabia, including Honolulu, Guam, Taipei, Okinawa, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Bombay, routes to Germany, and the LHR-IAD route;
In return Pan Am would suspend routes to France, Austria, Portugal, Spain, Morocco, LHR-ORD/LAX/PHI (though PA kept the MIA-SJU-LIS-MAD-FCO route).
These routes were cut Feb/Mar-1975.
: I think I see Paris on the top scanned map, it appears as a white dot to the south of London. It seems to have a white line to London and then on to t
: In addition to my last post... While Pan Am ended Paris service in 1975. They recommenced service to Paris by way of the National Airlines acquisition
: I further notice that beginning Apr-1978 Pan Am reintroduced service to Paris. Though, the only flight was a LHR-CDG Boeing 727 flight, a continuation